What did you think of the 24: Live Another Day Episode 5? Vote in the poll and leave your thoughts in the comments below.
Last weeks episode was well received – 83% of voters loved the episode while 14% believed it was good and only 2% thought it was just OK.
Tonights episode was written by Sang Kyu Kim and Patrick Somerville (the same duo that wrote the third episode) and was directed by Omar Madha. All three are new to the 24 crew. Did they do a good job?
If you missed the episode, you’ll be able to watch it on FOX’s website tomorrow or catch the repeat on TV this Friday at 8:00 PM on FOX.
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May 26, 2014 at 10:04 pmSnooze
May 26, 2014 at 10:06 pmClayton
May 26, 2014 at 10:12 pmAnother thing: Where the heck was Jack all episode? I don’t want to believe that this season was meant to transition us into a 24 with Kate Morgan at the helm, but that’s sort of what we got this week. Rogue Kate is the same as rogue Jack… except it’s less compelling, because Jack’s our star. Re: Kate, the shades of grey that 24 introduced in season 8 are slowly disappearing: The show treated it like a no-brainer that she should give Chloe access to the CIA servers, but it maybe should’ve been more of a dilemma. Kate Morgan just gave Open Cell unfettered access to CIA ops and information. That’s crazy!
Anyway, it was great to see Jack and Audrey reunite with such a powerful scene. That being said, I couldn’t help but groan when Jack admitted to Audrey that he did kill those people and that “it’s complicated.” Is “it’s complicated” really the way the writers are going to treat Renee’s memory? That’s what it felt like. Sometimes I find that 24 is so intent to make itself accessible that it tries its best to ignore the past. Graem referred to Jack as Bauer throughout season 5 and then miraculously becomes his brother in season 6? Oh well! We’ll pretend it never happened. Charles Logan is as sleazy as ever in season 8 despite professing to be a changed man in day 6? Don’t worry about it! Audrey was catatonic in day 6 and comes back without a scratch in Live Another Day? Forget about it! Jack Bauer was dying at the end of season 7 and the experiment treatment came off without a hitch for the day 8 premiere? Okay! It just kind of baffles me.
AgentRez
May 26, 2014 at 10:19 pmIf the “it’s complicated” was referring to the events of Season 8, I don’t see what’s wrong with that description. For all those who make Renee out to be the love of his life, remember that he only knew her for a total of about 36 hours. When the doctor asked Jack if Renee had any family that should be contacted, he didn’t know. Contrast that to the scene in season 6 when Jack told Audrey her full name, where she was born, and her whole family history to try to help her remember who she was. And remember that Jack said to Audrey at the end of season 6 “I love you with all my heart and I always will.” I don’t think anything that happened with Renee changed that for him. That much was obvious from the way he cried when he saw Audrey tonight.
Corina
May 27, 2014 at 12:37 amOh, and btw, the reunion scene was beyond beautiful. Extremely touching and emotional.
Ozgur
May 27, 2014 at 1:01 amAnd I can imagine something even worse that the writers would even manage to tell Jack’s side of story from Jack’s mouth without even mentioning Renee Walker.
Corina
May 27, 2014 at 7:00 amAnd this is not about ship war, I just wanted to make an statement about it. Yes, I ship Jack with Audrey and I think they belong together. But also, I think Renee was an amazing character.
Ozgur
May 27, 2014 at 2:20 pmAnd it is not just Renee, there is an obvious lack of mention of Taylor and the direct aftermath of S8 just to shift the focus on Heller’s administration. That part feels really off as well.
Clayton
May 27, 2014 at 10:50 amChris
May 30, 2014 at 6:50 pmLady J
May 27, 2014 at 2:10 amTheir acting was right on target emotionally; Jack’s up front owning of his jaded past that is yet to be clarified to us. Then could come the acknowledgement of her marriage and wanting to know if “he” was treating her right was so on target and characteristic of Jack. The touching of her face was proof that it wasn’t a dream that it was for real. And him being the strong one to tell her she had to leave and to leave now so their meeting/being together still had honor in it along with giving her the cover of integrety for when the replaying of it in her head surely would come later.
It was very obvious that they still love each other deeply as oppossed to needing a physical release from being “in heat” with each other.
Now one of the question becomes if there is another drone strike does the husband manage to survivie it?
AgentRez
May 27, 2014 at 12:23 pmAgentKarena
May 27, 2014 at 1:15 pmAnother thought to toss out to fellow 24 agents. Do you think Alan Wilson’s shadow group has anything to do with this season? I have a theory that these people were behind Chloe’s family tragedy. I think the group wanted to kill her husband and son, so she would be isolated. Then Adrian Cross recruited her to help them. Of course, she and his other followers don’t know about his connections. They don’t realize the shadow group controls the chaos Open Cell creates.
That’s where Tony comes in! He knows more about the shadow group than anyone else, so Jack helps get him sprung from whatever prison he’s in. Of course, all this is speculation and has nothing to do with the Al-Harazi plot.
Clayton
May 27, 2014 at 4:17 pmUnfortunately, I think the writers try their best now to keep the seasons as “standalone” as possible. Would casual viewers actually remember Alan Wilson and the Red Dot Cabal?
Mary
May 27, 2014 at 4:42 pmXAM
May 27, 2014 at 5:32 pmTo this date, the most jaw dropping moment of 24 for me was Mandy appearing at the end of day 2 to make the attempt on Palmer, and her boss being a German dude and (quite possibly) part of the organisation behind Nina. That was such a HUGE twist that sent chills down the spine, connected both seasons in an interesting way and potentially set up an awesome arch nemesis organisation for Jack. Sadly, that angle was carelessly brushed off in season 3.
Day 4 and 5 see Mandy’s return and the assassination of Palmer which got tongues wagging once again over a possible return of XAM. That didn’t happen – a shitty video game happened instead – but an interesting XAM/SPECTRE like organisation surfaced, which was sadly ruined the following season with the terminally stupid idea to make the head of the organisation Jack’s brother.
Jesus Christ!!
Even the 24 writers realised what a colossal screwup they made with day 6 and in day 7 made Alan Wilson the man behind the man behind the man behind the… behind the man who killed Palmer. The final 6 episodes of day 7 were rewritten to include the Red Dots specifically to tie into day 8.
But after brushing off the Max storyline
After cheapening the bluetooth group with family ties to Jack
They drop the conspiracy angle AGAIN in season 8 in favour of the same old Johnny Jihad shite we’re so used to with even seasons.
Tony’s last words were “these people think they can take everything away from us Jack”. Well, whoever “these people” are, there should have been a season dedicated from hour one to tracking and bringing “these people” down. LAD could have been it. Alas they always get into the nasty habit of building these groups up and WHOOPS! running out of time because they spent most of the day trying to neutralise a generic and shitty threat from equally generic and shitty villains – oh wait, kinda like they are in LAD.
As much as I criticise LAD for being one giant rehash, I AM hoping they honour the tradition of introducing higher up villains for the final act. As for bringing back the red dots/Wilson, I can think of no better reason for Tony’s (now likely) return. If casual viewers don’t remember or know Wilson/Max/Whoever then that would surely encourage them to go back and check out earlier seasons. Just think how thrilled someone starting 24 with day 6 would be if he went back to discover Fayed’s brother was actually a villain from a previous season.
Also…
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s9/24/news/a495759/24-return-will-patton-interested-in-reprising-alan-wilson-role.html
Clayton
May 28, 2014 at 3:38 amYou’ve got a group of corporations working together to ensure world events work in their favour. Starkwood was one “dot,” BXJ and Nathanson were another, McLennen-Forster fell in with the group, and Max and his crew did too. It kind of clouds “the German connection” that everyone was waiting to learn about, but if you set up a big flow chart, there are ways to connect the bad guys of every season… except season 8. That’s how I like to look at the show. If Wilson was the man who kept everyone in line, so be it.
Brad
May 27, 2014 at 12:39 amMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:39 pmAgentRez
May 27, 2014 at 10:06 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 10:42 pmRobin24
May 27, 2014 at 6:50 amMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:43 pmBeto
May 31, 2014 at 11:02 amChad Smith
May 26, 2014 at 10:16 pmTJ
May 27, 2014 at 9:42 amThere are more elements that worry me about the season sliding downward than not – the Margot-and-her-demented-kids theme as the villains might play well on ‘American Horror Story’ but comes off bizarre in an action series. And while I like Bill Devane and Benjamin Bratt as actors, they’re not turning in their best work IMO. Sadly, other than Jack and Heller, the remainder of the cast this season has been uninspiring and bland. With only 12 episodes to shoot, I would have expected a lot more screen time for Jack.
Trevor
May 26, 2014 at 10:21 pmAgentRez
May 26, 2014 at 10:34 pmTJ
May 27, 2014 at 9:46 amKiki Vanderway
May 26, 2014 at 10:47 pmAll that was missing was Audrey grabbing his hand as she flees the room.
In terms of Jack ” coming clean” remember he has never had an issue owning his actions. Whether he is referring to what happened after Renee or not remains to be seen but either way he owns it. And that is why he remains so compelling and untouchable as a character and why we still care so much about it.
It’s true that the set up of him sitting in a chair in a room used for storing furniture not compelling, but Sutherland is still riveting to watch even under such limitations .
KM
May 26, 2014 at 10:59 pmReally enjoyed the episode, not perfect but still highly enjoyable.
VCR
May 26, 2014 at 11:15 pmTJ
May 27, 2014 at 9:48 ambleepboop24
May 27, 2014 at 12:26 amI did have quite a few nitpicks regarding some silly timing/believability issues. (ie. within seconds of looking at complex coding Chloe is able to instantly form a jpeg that immediately proves the drone was hijacked. That coding could’ve been anything, it could’ve been photoshopped for all we know and yet after 5 seconds Jordan is convinced enough to say with full certainty Tanners drone was hijacked?)
Other than those nitpicks I thought it was a really suspenseful hour. Definitely a bridge episode but a good one at that. I also love how the Al harazi family is written. Margot seemed to be genuinely disappointed and let down by Naveed. She wasn’t just the typical “you crossed me so instantly I kill you with no remorse”. Something about Michelle Farhley’s acting really convinces me of her role.
Tran
May 27, 2014 at 1:09 amTomW
May 27, 2014 at 2:44 amTomW
May 27, 2014 at 6:08 am24 Spoilers
May 27, 2014 at 3:40 amThe highlight for me was the Heller/Jack scenes, those two are always fantastic together. Jack and Audrey’s reunion scene was also very well done. Good acting by Sutherland and Raver and I like how Sean Callery played their old piano theme in that scene.
Chloe scenes were good and had some nice humor bits. I especially liked her “I could tell you how to open a socket” line to Kate which was cool fan service. Speaking of Kate, she continues to be a great character.
The Naveed storyline never really clicked with me so I’m glad we’re past that now. From the moment he was introduced and started having second thoughts, you just knew his character was a goner, it was only a question of when. Naveed already learned just an hour before that Simone was relaying information back to her mother, so telling her his newest plan wasn’t the greatest idea.
Also, it was mentioned in the third episode that Margot’s husband was killed in a drone strike three years ago, and now it’s suddenly two years ago. Both of these episodes were written by the same two people and aired so close to each other that it sticks out as sloppy to me. Especially considering it’s crucial backstory that explains Margot’s motivations.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 2:31 pmThe timeline thing I raised my eyebrows at in this episode was Adrian saying everything *we’ve* built to Chloe “in the last six years.” So… was Chloe a mole for Open Cell during Day 8? That would be an awesome twist…
Hadi
May 27, 2014 at 4:41 amAlex Freitas
May 27, 2014 at 9:10 amMary
May 27, 2014 at 10:44 pmAcer4666
May 27, 2014 at 7:17 amA couple of people commenting about how good the explosion was – that was a low point for me. 24 proves time and time again that it can’t pull off decent CGI (they just don’t have the budget for it) so I don’t see why they feel the need to have a huge wide shot of a mansion exploding. It just looked cartoonish and stupid, and had they done more subtle shots using the physical effects they set up it would have looked far better. The money they spent on physical effects was utterly wasted, as each one was “augmented” by the cartoon explosion
TomW
May 27, 2014 at 7:51 ampredictor32
May 27, 2014 at 8:43 amAgentRez
May 27, 2014 at 10:24 amMy hope is that it was deliberately designed to be unsatisfying and not provide closure because it’s not the last time we’ll see them together on screen.
Mary
May 27, 2014 at 4:49 pmAgentRez
May 27, 2014 at 10:16 pmYou are right about what she said to Mark, but I also noticed that she quickly brushed him off after that. It was like she couldn’t stand to be around him while she was processing what was going on with Jack. You are right that she is also protective of her father and the impact Jack might have on his presidency though. From what Kim Raver said in an interview with Entertainment Weekly as well as what we saw on screen last night, it’s obvious that she still loves Jack. But she probably knows it can never amount to anything, since she is married and he’s a fugitive.
Mary
May 27, 2014 at 10:55 pmI agree with then how she brushed off Mark in that scene, which I also thought was weird. I’m not entirely sure that Audrey is as “okay” as she seems to be. One minute, she’s pissed at Mark for covering up that Jack was in town but when Heller finds out Mark covered up the Al-Harazi drone strike, Audrey tells her dad that Mark made the right call (maybe subtly implying that Audrey knew about it, too, and helped cover it up.) She didn’t even seem to react to kids being dead. I know she’s not the emotional type (see: Edgar’s mom) and she’d see it as making the tough call but I still thought it was a bit… cold. Even for Audrey. She seems a half-step removed half the time. I’m not entirely sure that she’s as trustworthy as she seems to be.
kiki vanderway
May 27, 2014 at 9:30 pmHe has a mission and there is still a lot of backstory we have yet to understand. His response to seeing Audrey is to yearn deeply for a connection that he probably doesn’t feel he deserves to have and one that he knows makes it much harder for him to keep his focus on the mission. He knows what it is to have to do something urgent and to know at the end….it could mean it’s really the end. He has been there many times before. It’s a 24 staple. But so too is is building in the opportunity to allow the viewer to witness and respond to the toll it takes on him.
From cast interviews it’s clear Audrey is still in it over the arc of the episodes. I am looking forward to a more satisfying meet– a la Season 5 where we had them together by E5 but had to wait another 10 hours before a kiss. Not sure we will get that here but I feel more is coming from both of them.
In the meantime Jack and Kate in the field lnext week ooks awesome!
AgentRez
May 27, 2014 at 10:17 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 10:57 pmSeba
May 28, 2014 at 8:46 amThe first thing that Jack said was: “You are married. Is he making you happy?” The close they were getting, the more Audrey wanted to kiss and hug Jack. I think that Jack saw that (also he wanted that) so he asked her to leave because they will end up in bed together, and he wanted above all, to take care Audrey’s honor.
AgentKarena
May 28, 2014 at 12:16 pmJack’s reaction to Audrey also reminded me of the Jack and Kim dynamic toward the end of Season 7. Seeing Audrey is one of the only things that could endanger his ability to complete this mission. He can’t allow himself to connect with others, even through friendship. It hurts too much when he is betrayed or loses what he loves.
It seems as if Jack doesn’t really get women. As damaged as Renee was, she probably came as close as anyone to understanding and appreciating Jack. She actually saved his life in Season 8.
I’m sure Audrey loves him in her own way and that they could be happy together. But she’s never been totally committed to Jack (despite him saying that). When she followed him to China, Jack had just saved America again and she was the privileged daughter of a U.S. leader. She never expected to be captured and tortured. Of course, maybe part of her realizes she isn’t tough enough to live in Jack’s world–a world her father helped create.
What was the deal with Jack’s mother? Is there any backstory about her? I’m a latecomer to the 24 community. I recently watched it all for the first time.
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 2:33 pmKiki Vanderway
May 28, 2014 at 3:30 pmOzgur
May 28, 2014 at 4:07 pmRenee was actually the voice of conscience of S7 and was quite instrumental in leading Jack to his absolution over the course of the season which culminated with a bedside confession with the imam, so I completely disagree with this statement.
Not to mention her being a broken person who needed to be fixed over time would serve as a true redemption for Jack who had quite a number of personal failures in his life.
Actually, I don’t even see a single example of conscience or voice of reason with Audrey at all. Audrey is too self-centred for that because her own wishes, needs and wants should always come before everyone else’s.
Kiki Vanderway
May 28, 2014 at 4:34 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 7:39 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 7:37 pmkiki vanderway
May 28, 2014 at 7:42 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 9:14 pmKiki Vanderway
May 28, 2014 at 9:27 pmJustin
May 27, 2014 at 10:29 amClayton
May 27, 2014 at 10:39 amI agree with whoever said episodes 1 and 2 were the best. The show was doing something new and fresh with those episodes. Jack is no longer on his own, the social commentary on drones and Free Information is basically done, the CIA is becoming a central set instead of a peripheral one, and the human drama with Heller’s Alzheimer’s has slipped off the radar. Instead we’ve got more torture, a random video, and Jack about to go on his bazillionth undercover operation.
Jack
May 27, 2014 at 10:47 amI was expecting something great from the ’24’ writers but yet again, I’m seeing the same “let me back in the field” motive from Jack Bauer, the same officials who don’t trust Jack Bauer, only for him to be proven right. They really are not making great use of this being set in London. Seriously – what is the point of making this in London if you aren’t going to show us any cinematic shots?
I hope I’m proven wrong. It seems to me that the only great episode yet was Episode 3 with Episodes 1+2 leading slowly behind that.
Jack
May 27, 2014 at 12:06 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:53 pmGerry Mander
May 28, 2014 at 1:08 amSome criticize Seasons 7 and 8 as mediocre, but they were innately character-driven affairs that took the time to build character between the action setpieces, and which made for better seasons as a result. Season 8 in particular had a depth and pathos that just seems to have been totally unappreciated by some people, and from the Markos-in-the-hyperbaric-chamber episode (and a remarkably moving one at that) onwards, was actually ’24’ on absolute top form!
I’m enjoying ‘Live Another Day’ so far, and so far I haven’t found much to complain about, they seem to be trying hard to balance character and action within a much tighter narrative, and they seem to be doing a pretty decent job all told thus far… I wish some people would just relax and not feel the need to pick things to death, leave some meat on the carcass for the rest of us to enjoy!
Just my own humble, subjective, and fallible opinion…
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 2:35 pmkiki vanderway
May 28, 2014 at 7:07 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 7:45 pmBrad
May 28, 2014 at 8:00 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 8:56 pmI guess I should rephrase and say that, to me, it ends with the beginning again, not that beat right before the beginning of the end, which is what the end of Day 8 felt like to me. I want Day 9’s end to have Los Angeles and CTU and that damn ringtone again. The plot is one big circle so why can’t we have the start again? I’ll take a third cousin of the Palmer kids, if that’s what it takes lol.
JackBauerFan1977
May 27, 2014 at 12:57 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:58 pmGerry Mander
May 28, 2014 at 1:51 amMaybe the ’24’ writers cottoned on to the timeline and changed it accordingly, albeit after they had already established another timeline for the death of Margot’s husband!
JackBauerFan1977
May 28, 2014 at 8:08 amMary
May 28, 2014 at 2:57 pmDAY ONE: March 2004.
DAY TWO: September 2005. (Eighteen months after Day 1.)
THE GAME: March 2006. (Six months after Day 2.)
DAY THREE: September 2008. (Three years after Day 2.)
DAY FOUR: March 2010. (Eighteen months after Day 3.)
DAY FIVE: September 2011. (Eighteen months after Day 4.)
DAY SIX: May 2013. (Twenty months after Day 5.)
REDEMPTION: January 2017. (Three years, seven months after Day 6.)
DAY SEVEN: March 2017. (Sixty-five days after Redemption.)
DAY EIGHT: May 2018. (A year and two months after Day 7.)
DAY NINE: September 2022. (Four and a half years after Day 8.)
Political Timeline:
March 2004: Senator David Palmer sweeps Super Tuesday.
November 2004: David Palmer elected U.S. President.
January 2005: David Palmer inaugurated as U.S. President.
September 2005: David Palmer temporarily booted out of office; Vice-President Jim Prescott becomes acting U.S. President; Palmer regains Presidency but is attacked; Jim Prescott becomes Acting U.S. President.
September 2008: David Palmer has regained his presidency and is running for re-election against Senator John Keeler; drops out of the race because of events of Day 3, giving Keeler the edge.
November 2008: Senator John Keeler wins U.S. Presidential election.
January 2009: President-Elect Keeler inaugurated.
March 2010: President John Keeler gravely injured in assassination attempt while aboard Air Force One during events of Day 4; Vice-President Charles Logan sworn in as President.
September 2011: President Charles Logan arrested for treason; Vice-President Hal Gardner sworn in as President.
November 2012: Wayne Palmer wins U.S. Presidential election; defeats sitting President Hal Garner.
January 2013: President-Elect Wayne Palmer inaugurated.
May 2013: President Wayne Palmer severely injured in assassination attempt; Vice-President Noah Daniels eventually assumes the Presidency.
November 2016: Senator Allison Taylor wins U.S. Presidential election; defeats sitting President Noah Daniels, whom she also toppled in the primaries.
January 2017: President-Elect Allison Taylor inaugurated during events of Redemption
March 2017: Vice-President Mitchell Hayworth temporarily assumes the functions of President, if not the title, when President Taylor his held hostage inside of the White House. His epic failure on all fronts during this crisis leads to Allison Taylor firing him after the events of Day 7. She replaces him with former Keeler-Logan Secretary of Defense James Heller.
May 2018: President Taylor resigns from office and turns herself into the U.N. for war crimes as a result of the events of Day 8. Vice-President James Heller assumes the Presidency.
Sometime in 2019: President Heller authorizes drone strike against the Al-Harazis.
November 2020: President James Heller wins the U.S. Presidential election.
September 2022: [Day 9/Events on-going]
Gerry Mander
May 29, 2014 at 2:12 amMary, how do you know Heller was President Taylor’s VP? Not in Season 7 he wasn’t, and there was no indication – either explicitly or implicitly – that he was during Season 8, even offscreen, I’m sure had he been the Veep during that day’s events, Taylor or Jack would have mentioned him… they didn’t because he wasn’t.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 3:10 pmMary
May 29, 2014 at 3:16 pm24Nathan
May 27, 2014 at 1:33 pmLoved this episode…I hope Ritter and Navarro live, or at least one of them!
I think the true gold moment of the Naveed story is to show Simone present at his execution, and she doesn’t even shed a tear. Even MARIE WARNER shed a tear when she shot Reza, Simone has been playing him this entire time! I knew she fed Margot information, but I thought she at least felt bad and torn between two sides, but nope…that was the most chilling part to me, not that Naveed was going to die.
Belcheck is awesome. Every scene he’s been in, I’ve been super hyped. I hope we see him in the field with Jack!
Next week’s episode looked very intense…I admit, I thought Tony for a few seconds when Jack mentioned an underground arms dealer, but then I remembered that that would be ridiculous to have Tony have been in prisons around the world for years and then turned into an arms dealer, and then have been in cahoots with Margot for some time.
Acer4666
May 27, 2014 at 1:56 pmXAM
May 27, 2014 at 2:11 pmWhy the fuck are actors so desperate for their characters to be so grey and complex even when they’re obviously not. No, your character very much IS a bad person.
24Nathan
May 28, 2014 at 2:14 pmI think it was Naveed that said to Margot that he can’t kill all of these innocents, and she scoffed and reminded him of her husband’s innocent death, or maybe the children’s, or both…but multiple times she said that the drone attack killed the innocents, and she is just getting justice, therefore she outright denies that she is a terrorist. I think the grey comes in from the characters truly believing that what they are doing is right and will make the world a better place. So, while we see them as psychopathic bad guys, they see themselves as warriors of justice, and I think with the drone back story relating to Margot, this brings the character’s motives into possibly the greyest villain story in the series to date.
Not saying her attacks and willingness to murder are in any way right…but the motives are surely a real talking point.
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 2:59 pmCatherine
May 27, 2014 at 1:37 pmXAM
May 27, 2014 at 2:48 pmOverall though it’s all just so painfully underwhelming. The new characters, the hideously cheap way it looks, the tired old whore of a plot, fuck the lot of it!
Hadi
May 27, 2014 at 2:52 pmbleepboop24
May 27, 2014 at 6:44 pmHe has no function in the story and every line he delivers I cringe. He just seems very amateur. And although I’m liking Kate more and more, I do think Yvonne plays her rather bland as well. I thought Renee was a much more complex and interesting character to watch. She had a lot more presence and believability than Kate imo
24marathonman
May 27, 2014 at 7:11 pmSeba
May 28, 2014 at 8:38 am(Michelle + Renee + Kate) – Kim = A female Jack.
Acer4666
May 27, 2014 at 9:19 pmChlojack
May 29, 2014 at 6:53 pmMary
June 1, 2014 at 12:55 amXAM
May 28, 2014 at 2:42 amMary
May 28, 2014 at 3:01 pmSeba
May 28, 2014 at 8:40 amRemember… just in case.
XAM
May 28, 2014 at 9:52 amKiki Vanderway
May 28, 2014 at 10:12 amSeba
May 28, 2014 at 2:37 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 3:01 pmFanta
May 28, 2014 at 1:53 pmIn season 7, I think Renee lacked a bit believability. She came from a good job,
and within minutes just did everything Jack told her to do, and maybe the biggest flaw, she hated it. She had huge regrets about what she did, but acted on autopilot. And we knew nothing about her background or her motives at that point.
I think Kate comes off as a more developed and credible character as we learned about her background as a good agent and her motives from episode 1.
But what I like the best, Kate is not, contrary to popular belief, a female Jack. Kate don’t go over the top (yet), she use different strategies. And I think that’s great.
As some said above, “Rene was the” female Jack Bauer” but Morgan has the “mind of Jack Bauer””
That a very important difference that set both Renee and Kate apart, but more important, it set Jack and Kate apart, and it make the show better.
I also think Jack and Kate will make a great team as they will play different roles. On top of that, hopefully with no romantic feelings involved they wont have that to screw things up.
When that is said, I do agree Kate is portrayed as a somewhat cold character at this point, but it feels very natural, and it leaves room for a lot of growth. I also think her “coldness” might come in quite handy in the next episode ;)
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 7:48 pmChlojack
May 29, 2014 at 6:49 pm24marathonman
May 27, 2014 at 7:07 pm1. Adrian Cross is still very, very mysterious. Yes, he deliberately got Jack captured at the embassy but will he eventually commit the resources of Open Cell to help stop the attacks or will he turn out to be helping Margot? Chloe will help Jack but I think the Open Cell people are better with computers then the CIA geeks so they need to be a part of solution.
2. I wonder if hidden in the Open Cell stolen documents is evidence that will help Jack defend his actions of 4 years ago. Maybe Open Cell can help Jack tell his side of the story.
3. Belchek, Jack’s helper, is still very mysterious. We know little or nothing about him except that Jack saved his life. He barely speaks. Who is this guy?
4. Are there any moles??
Seba
May 28, 2014 at 8:32 am1. I agree. Adrian is too “charismatic”, so I’ll wait to see more of him in the next few episodes. About Open Cell helping Margot, I really don’t think so. Adrian said that the whole thing “is not their fight”. So, neither helping USA, United Kingdom nor Margot.
2. When Kate asked Chloe to enter in the CIA servers, Chloe said that they were good, but not that good. So, I don’t think that they can clear Jack’s name.
3. He’s now “free” to leave Open Cell facility and go into the field with Jack. I also want to see more of Belchek, about his past and his relationship with Jack, and with this situation.
4. I think that now Fox wants us to forget about moles, and suddenly show someone. I think that Kate has something hidden, particulary about her dead husband, Adam.
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 3:20 pmre: #4– I don’t think Kate is a mole. I think she’s Girl!JackandTony and the future of 24 but that means that she can’t be perfect. I think the twist here is that she’s wrong about what she missed. She doesn’t know yet that her husband was set up by someone close to her. So, she didn’t miss that her husband was a traitor because he wasn’t a traitor but she *did* miss– and continues to miss– that he was framed. It gives her a blind spot where her personal relationships are concerned. If she gets too close, she has trouble seeing the truth. This could not be more Jack and Tony over Nina if they tried. The real question is… who is Kate’s Nina Myers and why?
I think the answer there is Navarro. He is very quick to remind everyone in sight that Kate missed seeing the thing about Adam and he uses it to try to get Kate to back off pursuing the threat. He looks guilty sometimes when he’s around her– like that whole hate to lose you and it’s not your fault scene from a few hours back. He cuts Kate all this slack at the start because he’s destroyed her career to hide his own duplicity and that eats away at him because he’s not fundamentally an evil guy.
Seba
May 28, 2014 at 4:03 pm#4- Every time we see that someone is trying to explain why Kate is still there in London, they always refers to Adam, and that she is trying to “fix” that he was a traitor and she didn’t notice. Some kind of redemption. They always talk about that, every time. So it’s strange… odd. We’ll see.
About Navarro, I’m thinking now that he will no longer take a primary role in the next episodes. He is now out of the picture because of the explosion, Jack will lead and perhaps someone else comes to take control of the CIA as a head.
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 6:59 pmThe other thing I wonder about with this is that Adrian said to Chloe in the last episode “everything we’ve built in the last six years”, meaning the two of them, not just Open Cell itself. How long has Chloe really been working with Adrian? Six years puts us back between Days 7 and 8. And when you think about the fact that Chloe got Arlo to mirror CTU’s systems on Day 8 and wanted to use them to leak information about the conspiracy but was stopped before she could… is it possible that Chloe was a mole for Open Cell on Day 8? That maybe half the time she was pretending to not know how to use her computers since she’d been a stay-at-home mom in order to cover the fact that she was leaking information? (Because she sure seemed to know how to use them just fine after she got promoted.)
#4– I think we could see a little less of Navarro for awhile since the focus is going to shift to Jack & Kate in the field and Jordan pursuing all the whatever about Kate’s husband in an attempt to out-sexy all the hot guys vying for her attention here. ;) But Navarro is Benjamin Bratt. They didn’t hire him to be the exposition guy for the whole season. There has to be something awesome coming down the pipe there.
Hadi
May 28, 2014 at 4:07 pmWhat if Adrian Cross, and belchek are some kind of poorly written characters? wow, I hope that’s not the case, because I’d be so pissed and disappointed to be honest.
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 7:00 pmChlojack
May 27, 2014 at 8:07 pmCan’t believe there’s only 7 episodes left!
Seba
May 28, 2014 at 8:36 amJackBauerFan1977
May 28, 2014 at 8:49 amSeba
May 28, 2014 at 3:04 pmWouldntYouLikeToKnow
May 27, 2014 at 9:30 pmhttp://www.tvchoicemagazine.co.uk/awards/2014/vote
You have to vote in all categories for it to count, I think.
XAM
May 28, 2014 at 2:51 amJonathan G
May 28, 2014 at 9:38 amAnyway, I think that was a great episode. I’m never a fan of Jack being sidelined, but it made sense, and everything else was near-perfect.
RonnieTheC
May 28, 2014 at 2:58 pmbleepboop24
May 28, 2014 at 3:33 pmI think because it’s been gone for 4 years and because 24 has done such brilliance in the past, it’s hard for people to just let go of the flaws.
Honestly, for the past few seasons all I’ve seen is people bashing the show, which I don’t understand. It’s ok to share your opinion though
AgentRez
May 28, 2014 at 6:13 pmDoug Queen
May 29, 2014 at 12:18 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 9:18 pmMarlon
May 28, 2014 at 3:11 pmPeople just need to get their opinions out there and they have the freedom to do this. They also have the freedom to not watch the show too…but yet they still watch it because we all know 24 is fucking awesome.
XAM
May 28, 2014 at 4:26 pmSo kindly give the condescending “don’t like, don’t watch” nonsense a rest.
Marlon
May 28, 2014 at 9:33 pmJust watch the show and enjoy it…in a positive vibrations, bob marley kind of way man
it’s make believe tv, not real life
24Nathan
May 29, 2014 at 12:54 amGerry Mander
May 29, 2014 at 1:38 amFor the record, I thought this week’s episode was a barnburner of an episode, they seem to be on a solid roll now and back in the groove… not that you’d know it from many of the comments here, I wonder if we were even watching the same programme! I think I’ll give this forum a break until ‘Live Another Day’ has wrapped, see y’all in July, enjoy the rest of the series, and please be nice to each other :-).
Over and out.
Gerry Mander
May 29, 2014 at 1:45 amThere, now I’m done (*said in a Bauer-esque menacing whisper voice*).
EMAIARI
May 29, 2014 at 3:36 amI do not have a particularly hard time ignoring them though when, even with some errors, ’24’ is still by some distance the most entertaining series on TV today, as well as being hands down the best show I’ve ever come across. EVER!
I’ve loved every episode of every season, and I much prefer to just laugh off or frown at the odd misplaced incident instead of complaining and trying to rewrite the scripts!
Enjoy it for what is and promote the show in a way that makes them come back for more :)
will
May 29, 2014 at 8:03 amAlso: when are they going to skip 12 hours?!
24Nathan
May 29, 2014 at 10:21 amBut I also agree that some of the complaints are a little too much…this is a TV show. I know some people say they expected new and fresh things and that is totally acceptable, and in my eyes, we have gotten some of those things, mixed in with some classic 24. Also, a common comment has been that they expected things to be on par with season 5 with how Live Another Day was promoted as being some of the best 24 ever, etc. Day 5 was great, don’t get me wrong, but it had its share of boring…the Rossler episode, for example? Or saving snot nosed brat Derek Huxley? Lynn McGill’s loser sister? Kim “Awful” Bauer’s return? Annoying moments in a great season, much like you are going to see with Day 9. Nothing’s perfect, but the important thing to remember is that it is TV, and especially the time element has probably not been adhered to strictly since Day 1.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 2:35 pmJonathan G
May 30, 2014 at 9:14 am24Nathan
May 30, 2014 at 11:10 amKiki Vanderway
May 29, 2014 at 10:36 amRonnieTheC
May 29, 2014 at 11:28 amJack
May 29, 2014 at 11:48 amMary
May 29, 2014 at 12:21 pmSeba
May 30, 2014 at 11:53 amMary
May 30, 2014 at 12:21 pmRonnieTheC
May 29, 2014 at 1:10 pmMary
May 29, 2014 at 2:37 pmRonnieTheC
May 29, 2014 at 1:48 pmMary
May 29, 2014 at 2:43 pm24 Spoilers
May 29, 2014 at 3:32 pmHardcore fans like us will always be a little bit tougher on the show than casual viewers. We’re the type of people that’ve watched every season multiple times, so any reused or similar plot lines stick out more. We’re also the type that gets invested in these characters enough to defend our favorites and get into debates over them. That’s a good thing!
The poll results show that most people (94%) enjoyed the episode. Someone could’ve voted that the episode was “awesome” yet still point out that a CGI explosion looked unrealistic, and it doesn’t mean they’re being negative about or trashing the show.
I understand many of us here are big fans, but let’s not get overly defensive about minor criticisms or observations that others might have. And maybe we can all do a better job of posting more balanced impressions too instead of focusing on mostly on aspects we didn’t like.
Kiki Vanderway
May 29, 2014 at 4:40 pmMary
May 29, 2014 at 5:27 pmpredictor32
May 30, 2014 at 10:40 amI enjoy coming to this kind of message board to discuss what I like and don’t like about each season and each episode of season 9. I know some people just like being cheerleaders of their favorite team, TV show, etc. and never dare to criticize anything about their favorite stuff. I’m just not built that way. And I dont think there is anything wrong with that.
predictor32
May 30, 2014 at 11:00 am24marathonman
May 30, 2014 at 11:28 pmXAM
May 31, 2014 at 12:35 pm24Nathan
May 31, 2014 at 8:57 pm24junkie
May 30, 2014 at 4:25 amitsbighead
May 30, 2014 at 8:54 am24marathonman
May 30, 2014 at 10:06 pm