Here’s the promo for 24: Live Another Day episode 6. Jack proposes a plan to locate Margot by using someone unexpected as bait.
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Here’s the promo for 24: Live Another Day episode 6. Jack proposes a plan to locate Margot by using someone unexpected as bait.
And be sure to vote in the poll for the fifth episode here.
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Comments ClosedTran
May 26, 2014 at 10:07 pmChlojack
May 26, 2014 at 10:20 pm24 Spoilers
May 27, 2014 at 3:52 amIt sure seems like whenever a character on 24 changes into a nice white outfit, that’s when they’re about to get all messy and bloody :P (thinking of Audrey and her white coat in the fifth season).
Chlojack
May 27, 2014 at 8:04 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 2:15 pmNew West Virginian
May 29, 2014 at 12:28 amM
May 26, 2014 at 10:12 pmRandyboy
May 27, 2014 at 2:22 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:10 pmSeba
May 28, 2014 at 8:54 amazrahn
May 30, 2014 at 5:02 pmMichael Volpe
May 29, 2014 at 9:46 amMary
May 29, 2014 at 10:34 amOzgur
May 29, 2014 at 11:46 amThis pairing looks like it will be Master-asset relationship first rather than a true partnership. Jack has no reason to trust this girl. He should use her as he sees fit.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 2:52 pmAnd Kate has no reason to trust Jack and should use him how she sees fit. ‘Master-asset’? That’s a little pervy in a bad way, man. Jack is no woman’s ‘master’… I feel like he’d slap you for suggesting such an awful thing.
Brad
May 30, 2014 at 12:30 amMary
May 30, 2014 at 10:17 amOzgur
May 30, 2014 at 11:01 amI used that in order to differentiate it from Master and Apprentice relationship.
Master and asset means the master (in this case Jack) does not even care or give a damn about the well being of the asset (in this case Kate) and sees her nothing more than a tool to do the job.
And considering how hardened Jack became after four years of exile and totally closed himself to human relationships, that is how it should play out IMO. Kiefer said sth like that in one of his interviews that Jack would just use someone who may actually try to help him this time, and the writers would be playing with that concept.
Mary
May 30, 2014 at 1:37 pmNow that I see what you mean, I agree with you.
Clayton
May 26, 2014 at 10:20 pmSorry, I will stop being cynical. It’s just… where’s the risk-taking?
ScrappyBauer
May 27, 2014 at 9:33 amClayton
May 27, 2014 at 10:46 amMaybe go take a chill pill if you can’t log into the Internet and act like a proper adult. Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time; that’s how the world works. I don’t call people “dipshit” because they’re enjoying the show. I just wish the writers were taking this opportunity to catapult 24, my favourite show, into new territory. I’m not seeing that, so I’m disappointed. That’s not allowed? Grow up.
24Nathan
May 27, 2014 at 1:42 pmThis might be the guy who Jack and Belcheck were in wraps with between Day 8 and now…so the meaningful history could be established in that route. And I don’t think Jack’s relationship with Renee can be paralleled with his relationship with Kate since this isn’t the same situation the women were in either.
Mary
May 27, 2014 at 2:01 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 2:12 pmClayton
May 27, 2014 at 4:04 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:11 pmClayton
May 27, 2014 at 5:03 pmOn another note, sorry I’m getting bristly… I’m just tired of getting jumped on by others for saying something other than “rah rah 24 can’t wait to find out who the mole is jeeze guys it’s just a TV show.”
I appreciate you coming to my defense later in the thread. I think you’re right… part of the reason why the holding epsodes are so disconcerting is because we only have 12 episodes total. In the grand scheme of things, when all’s said and done in July we will probably be able to look back and say “Naveed should have been left out, elements of episode three should have been folded into the other episodes, and episode four maybe could have been streamlined into episode five.” You know what I mean? And when we do that, it’ll be kind of sad to reach the conclusion this 12-episode season really only had 8 episodes of story.
Clayton
May 27, 2014 at 5:03 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 11:09 pmWe didn’t need four hours of waiting for Heller and Audrey to even know Jack was in town– the premiere would have been enough for that. Simone is one of the best 24 characters in forever but the entire Al-Harazi plot has ground to a screaming halt in the last three hours. If one more character reminds me that Kate’s husband was a traitor instead of, I dunno, *considering that maybe he wasn’t which is obviously where this plot is going*, I’m going to scream. And we didn’t need four hours of Adrian Cross as a “bad guy” before he began to realize that Chloe wasn’t going to put out unless he helped Jack. Erik is the most confusing character ever– he objects to everything but does it anyway. Probably because Morgan is hot and because Ritter isn’t a bad guy and does want to stop the threat. Jordan is a waste of space. He’s not even very good at tapping on a keyboard. I’m convinced something huge has to happen with Navarro because right now they’ve hired Benjamin Bratt to deliver such gorgeous dialogue as “Mariana, get me President Heller on the phone.” It’s riveting.
All griping aside, it’s getting better and it can really only go up from here. The plots are all starting to move a bit and I have a vague idea of what I think might happen on some fronts and I like it. But it’s just like… get moving already. It’s the last season. If I spend two scenes with Kim Bauer but spent an arc with Naveed… *shudders at the thought*
M
May 26, 2014 at 10:37 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 2:06 pm24junkie
May 27, 2014 at 3:49 amRonnieTheC
May 27, 2014 at 11:51 amJackBauerFan1977
May 27, 2014 at 1:26 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 11:11 pmAcer4666
May 27, 2014 at 2:01 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 2:10 pmBut it also means that Jack was working with Rask and possibly Margot (because Rask wants to kill Jack, so Jack betrayed him somehow and Jack knew about the Margot threat so maybe he really works with her now.) So Jack in the last few years became the type of man he used to hunt and now he’s seeking some redemption for it by trying to save the President and stop an attack but he probably has another card or two up his sleeve. In other words… he’s Day 7 Tony Almeida. :)
marz
May 27, 2014 at 2:28 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 4:20 pmIf it weren’t for Jack getting involved, the President and the CIA would have found out about Margot when she launched the video and be hours behind on everything, so even more of the drones would have been lost, not to mention that Tanner would still be considered to blame for the Afghanistan attack. I don’t doubt that Jack is trying to stop this attack but I do think he’s been working for terrorists for a little while now and is looking to find a way back to his old self. It’s just otherwise enormously convenient that he can save the day, save Chloe, save the Hellers, and get his honor back all because he just so happened to intercept some intelligence somehow that led him to a threat that he’s the only person on the planet who knows the guy who knows how to stop it. The only thing that makes sense is if Jack is using this threat to get what he needs out of it while also trying to stop it.
Seba
May 28, 2014 at 8:58 amRandyboy
May 27, 2014 at 2:33 pmFanta
May 27, 2014 at 4:00 pmAnd some viewers obviously had very strong feelings for some of the old, (now often dead) characters. So they will use every opportunity to redeem that person by saying “hey, look what my character did 5-10 years ago! This is old news, boooo, bad 24LAD”
(of course, completely ignoring the fact that Jack is doing the same damn thing every season)
To remember all the details? Well, they are all listed on various sites. Just type in the characters name, and you find everything you need to know.
And if you spam all the forums with the same story, I guess you start to memorize it after a while.
Of course, some did rewatch all 8 seasons of 24 right before 24LAD, so they will obviously remember things better.
Clayton
May 27, 2014 at 4:11 pmI enjoy 24 so much that I’ve re-watched every season more than five times. Maybe that’s why the biggest fans are disappointed: because they can see, without looking, that the show is stagnating. I still think it’s the best thing on TV, but I’m comparing the show to itself, not to some objective standard. When I have proof that 24 has the potential to be “season 5 quality” but isn’t delivering, I’m disappointed.
Anyway, I’ll get in line for my crucifixion now.
Mary
May 27, 2014 at 4:34 pmI also feel like we’re treading water on some enormous stuff. How many scenes do we really need reminding us that Kate’s husband was a traitor before someone starts to wonder if the guy was set up. It’s now going to take a half a season before someone gets on this, as it seems to be about to get going next week. Was that really necessary? The whole dark!Chloe plot is so far really disappointing because she’s not all that dark at all– she’s Chloe dressed up like Lisbeth Salander, doing the same old thing Chloe always does. I have some faith that this is going to go somewhere eventually, just like how the more they lay it on thick that Adrian and Mark are against Jack, the more we know they’re going to become crucial to him later on. But that’s also kind of the problem. It’s a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen so far. It’s gotten better in the last two episodes, particularly last night, but it’s so far been like waiting for the season to start.
I don’t blame you for complaining. I also agree with you that it’s not perfect. I’m enjoying it for the most part but I keep waiting for a lot of it to get moving. As for the show repeating itself, that doesn’t bother me that much because the show seems self-aware about it. I feel like they do it consciously to tie their themes together and things. What bothers me is just that they’ve been driving in circles for five hours now, recapping the same non-movements in the plot over and over…
…and, okay, yeah, I’m bored out of my mind without Tony Almeida. *laughs*
Fanta
May 27, 2014 at 5:27 pmWhen you said you have seen all the seasons more than 5 times, my first thought was: Well there’s your problem!
I can only speak for myself, but if I did that, I would probably puke when I heard that clock again ;) (no offence to you or the show)
So I guess I can see where you’re coming from when you feel things are repeating and your wish for something “new”
Personally I think the new season has borrowed some of the best parts from previous seasons, and with 4 years since S8 I think that’s totally fine.
But they have also added small twists and variations to it all. A good example from the latest episode. 5 minute Bauer, but the episode still delivers!
That speaks volumes of both the writing and the remaining cast.
bj
May 27, 2014 at 9:30 pmMary
May 27, 2014 at 11:13 pm24marathonman
May 28, 2014 at 9:10 amDaniel
May 28, 2014 at 10:21 amMy guess? He’s been involved in some anti-drones, radical movement. Possibly related to Margot Al Harazi and the death of the six children.
He seems to know a lot about Margot. Recognized her at the mere mention of the name “Al Harazi”, and appears to have been in contact with an arms dealer that’s been working with the Al Harazis “for years.”
Mary
May 28, 2014 at 1:31 pmJack goes underground, gets led down a dark path, finds out his sister is batshit insane and going to kill all these people and now, not only will stopping this threat save innocent lives, save the Hellers, save Chloe, and give Jack redemption but it will also be a way for him to atone a bit for what happened as a result of his father and his brother. Plus, it adds this family-versus-family dynamic, as in what are the Hellers going to think if they find out that Jack’s sister is the one trying to kill President Heller?
Yeah, it’s soapy, but this is a soap on crack and it would serve to instantly make the Al-Harazis even more interesting. There’s already a kind of my family-versus-your family thing happening here. Characters struggling with this, like Chloe, whose allegiances to her past in terms of understandably being unable to let go of Morris and Prescott and Jack hinder her relationships in the present with the substitute family of Open Cell she’s built (which even comes complete with hacker!Morris, a new Edgar, and a new Michelle!) Audrey struggling between Mark and Jack is like this, with her father also torn between new and old senses of family. Simone’s conflict over her husband versus her mother. They’ve also set up sibling parallels already– Jack and Chloe are like siblings working together to stop a threat. If Margot is Jack’s sister, then Jack’s taking the darker version of his little sister to whom he is not related and using her to help stop the psychotically dark little sister to whom he *is* related. There are a pair of siblings working together in Simone and Ian, who would… *gulp*… be Jack’s niece and nephew.
I don’t know if they’d do this but I think it might be intriguing.
RonnieTheC
May 28, 2014 at 11:51 amMary
May 28, 2014 at 1:32 pm24Nathan
May 28, 2014 at 1:11 pmMary
May 28, 2014 at 1:35 pm24Nathan
May 29, 2014 at 12:01 amMary
May 29, 2014 at 1:08 amWhat I feel doesn’t add up so far here is that Margot is insanely insular but Jack knows about the threat. In Margot’s world, it’s just her family and a couple of bodyguards at this house and involved in this plot. She trusts her arms dealer Karl Rask but would she tell Rask about this plot? Why risk that kind of a loose end? And Rask in the promo wants to kill Jack– Jack has recently betrayed him. Why? The only thing that ties this all together is if Jack works with Margot. That’s the only way he knows about the threat– if he’s controlling it a bit. Maybe it was Jack who suggested the guy from Open Cell to create the override device in the first place, just so Jack would have a link to Chloe. Maybe there’s a reason in the plot why Simone– the only character from the Al-Harazi family so far to have seen Jack– doesn’t recognize him but she’s the one who has been away from the family for 3 weeks. Not to mention that Margot is insanely paranoid but doesn’t seem terribly concerned about “the American” who can identify Simone and was following her.
24Nathan
May 29, 2014 at 10:25 amOne quick point: blowing up CTU in Day 2 wasn’t supposed to result in any injuries, since Jack thought he alerted them far enough in advance to get the building evacuated.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 10:46 amMy point is that was the crazy stuff Jack did when he was working for the government. Imagine what kind of crazy he got up to when he was hanging around with terrorists.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 11:03 amMy current wacky theory is that Jack is going to function as a broker in a deal between Margot and Rask where Margot sells Rask some key piece of stealth technology from her acquired drones for a hefty profit. Jack is going to then get Rask to turn around and sell that tech to the Russians, in exchange for a huge amount of money (for Rask) and a prisoner of the Russian government (for Jack). The prisoner is Tony, who was pardoned after Day 7, helped Jack get out of the country after Day 8, and took the hit for both Jack and Chloe, explaining why Chloe was in prison for a blink of an eye after Day 8. He had cut a deal to get her out early and then the U.S.. turned Tony over to Russia, where he’s been for the last four and a half years. Jack recently found this out, flipped out, and realized that if he was crafty enough, he could stop Margot’s insane drone threat and along the way clean up all sorts of messes of his past life– he could help and free Tony, help and free Chloe, save Audrey and President Heller and Audrey’s new husband to try to make up for Paul, stop WW3 so that his family back at home would be safe, and make up for the fact that he’s really been a bit of a traitor and a psychopath for a little while here by getting his old innocent-saving mojo back so that he doesn’t have to die dishonorably. This gets an extra bonus if my even wackier idea that Margot is Jack’s sister– and that being the best reason for why Queen Family allowed Jack in on this mission-in-progress in its late stages and didn’t ask questions. Now, Jack’s trying to also prevent a scenario like one that occurred with Graem and try to save his niece and nephew from their insane mother in the process. It’s a one-way path to redemption for Jack, covering as many bases as is humanly possible. I think that’s Jack’s ultimate end game.
24Nathan
May 29, 2014 at 11:22 amRegarding Tony, he may or may not return, but they’d have to bring him back in a very crafty way if they were to do it at all. I don’t see him as being pardoned by Taylor, Hayworth, or Heller, and I also don’t see him suddenly seeing the evil of his ways and returning to fight with the good guys for one last time.
Mary
May 29, 2014 at 3:00 pm24Nathan
May 29, 2014 at 9:16 pmMary
May 29, 2014 at 9:39 pmThe ironic thing is that if Jack hadn’t been dying from a virus that screwed up his brain, he would have been like hey, Tony, I’m not going to make it, give me that bomb vest, I’m going to take this guy out for all of us. Let me die having gotten some honor back and go out all George Mason-like. But, no… that’s not what happened to Jack.
What Tony was trying to do is nothing more than war. It’s no different than what the Hellers are debating about right now with the drone strikes. Is killing 23 people including 6 kids to stop Muhammed Al-Harazi from killing a zillion more people justified? Because that’s Tony and the subway car. That’s what he was trying to do. It’s just shocking because prior to Day 7, Tony is the guy who gets collateral damage but has a more humanistic side than most other 24 characters. This is the same guy who sobbed over Paula, even if he knew intellectually that she had to die in order to save countless other people. At heart, he’s no different by Day 7, he just has no one left to sob over. There’s some glimmer of hope for him when Jack shows up but after Bill dies and Jack gets infected, he shuts down even more and nothing else matters but stopping the guy at the top of the food chain of crazy people who have destroyed his and Jack’s lives and taken everything from them.
But I think if someone were to give him a hug and get him to lose the don’t-f-with-me mustache and tell him he was needed, he’d jump up like the loyal puppy he is.
24Nathan
May 30, 2014 at 1:31 amAnd yes, he is different by Day 7. He was doing bad things with David Emerson between Days 5 and 7, he states that when with Jack. He just felt that the CIP attacks went too far, and had to enlist Bill and Chloe to help him stop it. But after unexpected factors like Jack came into play, he would stop at nothing to get Wilson, even if that meant killing innocents, like he lobbied the group to do with the last canister of the pathogen.
Mary
May 30, 2014 at 11:12 amre: Day 3 and the infected bodies: Jack states that everything that’s happened over the course of the day up to the moment that Jack & Tony & Gael are forced to tell everyone else about their sting has been *for* their sting. They had come to know that the Cordilla Virus existed and was going to be sold on the black market, which would have potentially caused massive amounts of life. At the same time, Jack had come back from Mexico with only one of the Salazar brothers and wanted to clean up that mess, since he spent all this time undercover with them and doing terrible things and if they didn’t get Hector, Jack’s actions would have been for nothing because cartel business would have just continued on. So, Jack and Gael and Tony launch a secret mission to kill two birds with one stone. They convince Hector that Jack is an embittered mole within the U.S. government who had no choice but to arrest Ramon in order to throw off suspicion and that he can help him get Ramon out of prison and then there’s a big payday happening if the Salazar brothers buy the virus from Jack’s broker friend (which Jack, Tony, and Gael had no plans of them ever keeping, of course.) In order to make this seem real, Jack had to give Hector proof of the virus’ existence because if you were Hector, would you believe a word out of the mouth of the guy you trusted like a brother and let have the family’s favorite tattoo who then threw your big brother in prison? When you trace the sting backwards, you see that David Goss, the drug dealer, is the medium that Jack, Tony, & Gael used to set everything in motion. Obviously, they couldn’t let the virus sample lead back to *them*… the point here was to protect Jack’s identity within the government. Goss is the point from which you get the virus being dropped off for Sunny Macer, the whole plot with Kyle Singer which was a faked wild goose chase. CTU’s phones are recorded, as we’ve seen before on the show, so the conversations Jack and Tony had when they were all like ‘hey did you find that kid who is infected with the virus yet?’ are the two of them having fake phone conversations. Jack, Tony, and Gael know that Kyle Singer is not infected with the virus the entire time but they put on this entire song & dance– they set him up. Your heroes did that to that kid, which is the big twist of the first few hours.
I agree that Tony’s situation has changed by Day 7 but his fundamental personality has not. For example, watch the scene, for example, when David Emerson savagely beats up the Matobo’s guard and we see Tony’s expression when Emerson isn’t watching him. It’s definitely not a guy who is enjoying what he’s up to in life. There are other factors in play, like how Tony wound up still alive after Day 5 and what Emerson tells Jack about all of that and what the Rogue CTU illustrates for Jack about that. Chloe looks guilty as all hell when she first sees Jack again and Jack realizes that Bill and Chloe knew that Tony was still alive and lied to him through half of Day 5 and all of Day 6 about it. This is the only thing that works with what the show tells us about how it came together.
The show says that Tony was revived ten minutes later in an ambulance. Why was Tony in an ambulance after being declared dead when CTU has a morgue? Who rushed his body out of CTU and why? The only thing that makes sense here is that, off-camera on Day 5, Bill realized that Henderson’s people would just keep coming after Tony until they killed him and they had an opportunity to pursue who the conspirators beyond Henderson were. The only person from CTU in a position to do that was Tony. A whole slew of events then happen after the nerve gas attack that are suspicious– Henderson was not really being drugged by Burke and was allowed to escape from CTU easily. He got away when half the place was still in lockdown. Whether or not you think Henderson intended on killing Tony when he stabs him and that maybe they cooked up a plan while trapped in that room together to make it look like he had and that maybe Henderson then tried to screw Tony over and really kill him… whatever you think happened here, watch Tony’s hand come up over the needle when Henderson stabs him. It’s entirely possible it was *Tony* who made it so that Henderson missed his heart and it wasn’t just a matter of luck. Tony’s body then reacts to the stuff and for all intents and purposes appears dead (and was dead but not permanently dead, oh soaps lol) and then the rest come into play. Chloe runs interference with the morgue that magically never gets Tony’s body and will wind up declaring another body Tony’s (since Renee dug up someone else out of Tony’s grave prior to Day 7.) Kim suddenly really has to go right now! Considering how she was completely unsurprised to find that Tony was still alive on Day 7 and how she could be construed as the closest thing to family Tony might have had left by that point on Day 5, maybe she claimed the body and got him in the ambulance. Considering her creepy boyfriend was in league with Henderson (who told Jack he’d been “taking care of” Kim, then she shows up with Barry), that might even work out a bit. Regardless of how Tony got from Point A to Point B, the point is that at least Chloe & Bill were in on a plot to fake Tony’s death and send him undercover with Henderson’s people because the circumstances of Michelle’s death gave Tony the best ever excuse for suddenly deciding to switch sides ever. This is why Tony tells Jack “deep sky” on Day 7 and Jack calls a hotline that leads back to Bill. Bill explains to Jack afterwards that when CTU was shut down by Allison Taylor, undercover operatives stuck on missions were left behind in the field– operatives like Tony. Bill and Chloe were working in secret to keep these missions going and these agents safe. The show says that Tony was on a sanctioned government mission until Allison Taylor shut down CTU. Does it mean that Tony did some terrible thing while working with Emerson? Absolutely. A lot of stuff that he admits he’s “not proud of.” The irony of it is that, until Allison Taylor, the government was paying for it. Yet, Tony’s first instinct isn’t to destroy Allison Taylor, it’s to out all the corruption in her government. Jack’s the one on trial for war crimes and all f-you, Senate Tribunal! while Tony’s the one trying to save the corrupted government but it’s Tony in handcuffs and leather and Jack in a khaki g-man overcoat and a combover. That’s kind of the irony of it at the start. By the end of the day, their positions flip because of the differences in their personal circumstances– Tony is revealed to having been using government resources for his overall end game, which is personal revenge tied in with preserving the greater good which, ironically, would have been funded by the U.S. government had CTU not been shut down. Jack starts to die and lose his mind and can’t see anything in front of him, down to his own reflection. Both Jack and Tony are enormously wrong in what they try to do. Enormously wrong. Guaranteed Alan Wilson walked away scot free because of the two of them, with a bonus helping of Renee and her rage problem torturing him half to death.
Daniel
May 28, 2014 at 3:12 pmMary
May 29, 2014 at 10:18 pm24Nathan
May 30, 2014 at 2:36 pmAnyways, Mary:
Your theory makes sense, and is perfectly plausible, but the only problem is…it’s a theory. That was never expressly stated, even when Tony had the chance to when Jack specifically mentioned the attack. He said it was all a play…he probably didn’t want to hurt innocent people, but deemed it more acceptable to further his cause, because he is a different person than when we last saw him. You can think what you want about Tony, but all we have to go on is the show. Nothing that was said indicates that he tried to avoid rush hour traffic. He could’ve wanted to make that attack ASAP whether it be 4pm, noon, or 8am, as long as it would’ve convinced Wilson and the cabal to meet with him.
The timeline simply doesn’t make sense with your claims that Bill and Chloe lied to Jack during Day 5 or Day 6.
Just like Tony’s motives, nothing was ever specified if Jack and the gang deliberately infected those people with the virus. It is way more likely that those bodies were delivered as proof from Amador that the virus was real. Who would bid tens of millions of dollars on something they didn’t even know existed?
Regarding Tony after he “died”…your theory is just outlandish and goes against the facts. I just watched the episode after Tony “dies” in Day 5, and Jack literally leaves the room with Audrey after about ten seconds. After that, the next time we see Tony is in Day 7. The back story was given: Henderson never intended to kill Tony, and Henderson and Emerson were always working together and would try to use Tony against Jack in Day 5. So nobody, not Bill, not Chloe, nobody in CTU knew he was alive until some point after Day 5 and Day 6.
Try watching the show again, or reading these articles:
http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Tony_Almeida
http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Tony_Almeida_on_Day_7
http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Season_7
http://24.wikia.com/wiki/David_Emerson
“The show says that Tony was revived ten minutes later in an ambulance. Why was Tony in an ambulance after being declared dead when CTU has a morgue? ”
Day 7 states that the people who took Tony’s body from the scene were Emerson’s men.
“Who rushed his body out of CTU and why? ”
Again, Emerson’s men. Why? Henderson wanted to revive Tony and use him against Jack. By the time Tony was stabilized, Henderson was killed by Jack, so Emerson and his team went dark, converting Tony to their evil ways.
“The only thing that makes sense here is that, off-camera on Day 5, Bill realized that Henderson’s people would just keep coming after Tony until they killed him and they had an opportunity to pursue who the conspirators beyond Henderson were. ”
This directly goes against what the show actually says. Everyone thought Tony was dead because he was taken by Emerson’s crew and started working for them. It wasn’t until the CIP device was being compiled that Tony reached out to Bill and Chloe.
“A whole slew of events then happen after the nerve gas attack that are suspicious– Henderson was not really being drugged by Burke and was allowed to escape from CTU easily”
This has always been a suspicious point amongst the fans, I honestly think it’s just a “convenience”…for the writers couldn’t think of a better way, maybe. Or, maybe Burke was a mole with Henderson and Emerson, who knows?
“Whether or not you think Henderson intended on killing Tony when he stabs him and that maybe they cooked up a plan while trapped in that room together to make it look like he had and that maybe Henderson then tried to screw Tony over and really kill him”
None of this happened. Henderson planned to make it so Tony seemed dead, but wouldn’t actually die. Stated by Emerson in Day 7.
“It’s entirely possible it was *Tony* who made it so that Henderson missed his heart and it wasn’t just a matter of luck. ”
I’m sure Tony fought it, because he didn’t want to be stabbed with the stuff, because he was NOT turned until after Day 5. Maybe he unintentionally helped Henderson’s plan, maybe not, but it all worked out as planned.
“Chloe runs interference with the morgue that magically never gets Tony’s body and will wind up declaring another body Tony’s ”
Chloe didn’t have anything to do with this, it was all Emerson and Henderson, unless you have some crazy theory about her being a mole? Although yes, Emerson/Henderson did plant a lookalike body.
“Kim suddenly really has to go right now! Considering how she was completely unsurprised to find that Tony was still alive on Day 7 and how she could be construed as the closest thing to family Tony might have had left by that point on Day 5, maybe she claimed the body and got him in the ambulance. ”
This is even crazier than Margot being Jack’s sister. Absolutely, positively false…Emerson’s men got Tony’s body out of CTU. That’s that. Henderson was the Special Agent In Charge of CTU LA before Jack, and was his mentor. Henderson’s family must have known Jack’s family well, and since Day 7 is roughly 13 years after Day 1, then it makes perfect sense they would check in on Kim after Jack’s “death”. The details you are cooking up differ directly from what is purposefully stated in the show.
“Considering her creepy boyfriend was in league with Henderson (who told Jack he’d been “taking care of” Kim, then she shows up with Barry), that might even work out a bit. ”
No, it wouldn’t, because of what I said above. You’re reading too much into the Hendersons looking in on Kim. Henderson’s wife was always good as well, so they wouldn’t do anything to tun Kim or Barry.
“Regardless of how Tony got from Point A to Point B, the point is that at least Chloe & Bill were in on a plot to fake Tony’s death and send him undercover with Henderson’s people because the circumstances of Michelle’s death gave Tony the best ever excuse for suddenly deciding to switch sides ever. This is why Tony tells Jack “deep sky” on Day 7 and Jack calls a hotline that leads back to Bill”
No. No. No. Nononononononononononononononono….this directly contradicts the entire backstory given for Tony, as well as Day 7! It was Emerson’s men, working for Henderson or at least with him, that got Tony out and faked his death. Tony was working fully with Emerson after Day 5 until Emerson’s crew went too far in assembling the CIP device, which is when Tony enlisted Bill and Chloe for help in tracking the moles. The FBI got wind of Tony and his supposed CIP threats, and they enlist Jack, who helps capture Tony. Tony’s only way out of FBI custody and to continue this operation is to give the details up to Jack by allowing Bill to explain.
“Bill explains to Jack afterwards that when CTU was shut down by Allison Taylor, undercover operatives stuck on missions were left behind in the field– operatives like Tony. Bill and Chloe were working in secret to keep these missions going and these agents safe. The show says that Tony was on a sanctioned government mission until Allison Taylor shut down CTU. ”
I am 100% certain that none of this was ever stated anywhere on the show. What season, what episode?
“Guaranteed Alan Wilson walked away scot free because of the two of them, with a bonus helping of Renee and her rage problem torturing him half to death.”
Also never specifically stated, but read this interview: http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/05/25/24-series-finale-burning-questions/
Mary
June 1, 2014 at 9:08 pmre: the subway timetable theory. Yeah, it’s a theory. Yeah, Tony never specifically says aloud “I was speeding up the attack because I would like to kill the fewest number of people possible.” He doesn’t really have anyone to say this *to*, even if he wanted to, as he obviously isn’t going to say that to Cara. I agree, it’s not *explicitly* stated but a lot of things about the end of Day 7 are not explicitly stated and is interpretable. Consider, for example, Jack’s comment to Larry Moss of “I always knew someday you’d agree with me.” This occurs around the time that Jack thinks David Palmer is the President, according to what he yells at Janis. Jack met Larry Moss the previous morning. He’s known him for a matter of hours but he projects a longer relationship onto Larry– meaning? He’s not actually seeing Larry at all. So, who was he seeing? The most logical answer is Ryan Chappelle but *we don’t really know*. This is just one of a dozen different things left open at the end of Day 7 that relate back to Jack and/or Tony’s states of mind. Let’s just put it this way– they left a LOT of things open to interpretation with that plotline, including an entire whole potential plot that I’ll put at the bottom of this post here, in case you’re interested in reading the idea.
re: how Tony got out of CTU on Day 5.
So, Emerson’s men pulled up in an ambulance to the backdoor of CTU and Bill signed off on handing over Tony’s corpse. That’s what you’re saying? Because I’m not sure how Tony’s body got to Emerson’s men without involvement of people at CTU. I know what was stated on Day 7. I’m saying that there’s a lot more that was also stated beyond the scene of just Emerson’s explanation to Jack that factors into play. Even better is the question of why no one tried to revive Tony until he was in the ambulance if CTU wasn’t involved in faking Tony’s death. He’s declared dead and shuffled out of there in the moments when, if there was still a chance at reviving him, you’d think the medics would be all over trying to do that. Unless they were ordered to wait until his body was out of sight of Jack and out of CTU, that is…
re: the timeline doesn’t make sense with Chloe or Bill lying to Jack on Day 6.
Actually, it does. We have canonical evidence of Bill lying to Jack. He told him in the Day 6 premiere that Audrey was fine, which wasn’t true at all, and Jack bought it hook, line, and sinker. Chloe snarks at Jack when Jack questions whether or not Audrey is still alive that “of course she’s still alive”, then blinks like she’s mentally kicking herself. Better yet, why else would Bill and Chloe be working with Tony using the CTU deep sky hotline thing if Tony hadn’t originally been an undercover operative again after he apparently had died? Who else would have been able to switch the bodies so that someone else would have been buried in Tony’s grave and cover the tracks on that end?
Henderson had nothing to do with putting someone else in Tony’s grave– Tony didn’t even wake up until the hour after Day 5 ended, per the number of hours Emerson told Jack that Tony was in a coma. Emerson’s people didn’t bury someone else in Tony’s grave because Tony died at CTU: LA. In order for his body to even be put on that ambulance, someone at CTU: LA had to sign off on the transfer because, otherwise, he would have just been taken to CTU’s morgue. This puts all of it back on CTU when it comes to faking Tony’s death. I’m not saying Chloe was a mole, I’m saying Chloe was part of a Bill-sanctioned mission where she helped Tony go undercover with Emerson. She clearly knew that was what he was up to on Day 7– she was helping with an old CTU mission and working out of that house with Bill because that mission had been left unfinished. Otherwise? You’re asking us to believe that Bill and Chloe didn’t hear from Tony for years and thought he was dead and then he showed up on their doorsteps one day asking for help and telling them he’d been working with mercenaries for years and they were like oh sure, Tony! We’ll totally help you out! We aren’t suspicious that you’re a bad guy now at all! Let’s risk our lives and careers for this!
re: Henderson wanting to kill Tony & what happened on Day 5 there.
You are right, I forgot that Emerson said that Henderson wanted Tony dead. This actually makes even more sense when you look back on Day 5 because you can see Tony’s shock when Henderson stabs him as even more genuine shock. Perhaps they had cooked up a plan but Henderson double-crossed Tony. He just wanted Tony dead but Emerson and the others decided trying to brainwash Tony against Jack was a better idea. (Silly rabbits.)
The writers have said before in interviews that the original idea was that Tony wasn’t dead and was to return at the end of Day 5, so they filmed Tony’s death with the idea that it perhaps was not final. He was also supposed to be at Heller’s house at the end of Day 6, which would have meant that someone from CTU (likely Bill) would have had to contact him to get him there. The more you look at in retrospect, you can see all the wiggle room they left for all of this.
re: Henderson and Barry and Kim and all that.
Actually, this is a lot less crazy when you consider that Graem was trying to turn *everyone* against Jack. It didn’t really work but that was the play. Walt Cummings tried to influence Audrey; Spenser was sleeping with Chloe; Emerson was the plan for Tony (and had been for awhile since they knew each other before and Tony had been approached after prison by Emerson and rejected him.) The look on Jack’s face when he realizes his traitorous old mentor tells him he’s been “taking care of Kim” is one of total and complete horror. Jack does *not* trust this guy with his daughter. Then, who do we see when Kim shows up but the only voice of influence over her is her therapist. If this is how Henderson’s been “taking care of” Kim, then you could make the leap that Barry Landes might have been involved in that group. It’s crazy, I admit, but it’s less crazy when you consider that Kim wasn’t the only person this group was trying to poison against Jack. BTW? You know what else were crazy theories back in the day? That Graem was related to Jack. That Logan was really a bad guy. That Tony wasn’t actually dead. All of this stuff sounds a little insane and it happened, so… never say never.
I guess my point is that I know what Emerson said to Jack and I knew it when I wrote that previous post. That’s what happened once Tony got in the ambulance. It doesn’t explain how Tony wound up in that ambulance in the first place or how Bill and Chloe were working as if helping him with a long-term undercover mission from the CTU days and it completely contradicts what Bill said to Jack at their Rogue CTU HQ about the whole deep sky hotline they were manning. You can’t have it both ways– it’s not just Emerson and it’s not just CTU. It was CTU knowingly letting Emerson and his men go ahead with it for the purposes of their mission, just like how they knowingly let Henderson get out of the building so they could follow that trail of breadcrumbs to wherever it lay. The bits about the deep sky stuff is what Bill said to Jack at the Rogue CTU HQ so I think that was 7.04? And the stuff about Allison Taylor shutting down CTU I believe was from the one where Bill is first at the White House on Day 7.
I read that interview about what happened to Alan Wilson but, again, there’s a difference between Renee stopping the conspiracy and Alan Wilson’s fate. Like you say, never specifically stated, but why would the FBI fire an agent they felt was successful?
Brad
June 2, 2014 at 8:38 pm“I always knew eventually we’d agree on something.”
Not quite the same thing as saying ‘someday’.
drone
July 14, 2014 at 9:18 amAt 0.16 that person looks like Tony Almeida.
I think Mark will be the one in casket.
I will slap my face if Chloe dies. Jack may trade himself for Audrey to the Chinese.