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June 2, 2014 at 10:01 pm24fan24
June 2, 2014 at 10:03 pmAfter eight seasons AND being off the air for four years, they STILL reuse the mole plotline?!
Even if he’s not working for Margot, it’s still redundant.
Brad
June 2, 2014 at 10:08 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:15 pm24fan24
June 2, 2014 at 10:20 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:24 pm24fan24
June 2, 2014 at 10:32 pmIt’s not like just a few seasons of this show had moles. In fact, every season has had some type of mole except for Season 2. Granted, there were different types of moles, such as Gael in Season 3 and Spenser Wolff in Season 5. But there was still the suspicion in all but one season, “Is there a traitor in our midst?”
If Navarro is working for the Chinese, or Adrian, or has a motive that has more depth than, “Allahu Akbar,” then I’ll accept it more than I do now, and I’ll admit I was wrong.
I understand that I can’t fully judge this season yet since it’s only halfway over, but so far, this season as a whole has been disappointing to me…
Mary
June 2, 2014 at 11:08 pmI miss characters like Chappelle, too– I hate that Division more or less died at some point in the last few seasons and we had whoever was in charge of the unit reporting to the White House Chief of Staff. The debates kind of stopped after that and it wasn’t as much fun.
24fan24
June 3, 2014 at 12:46 amTJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:31 amTJ
June 3, 2014 at 2:00 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 2:36 pm24Nathan
June 2, 2014 at 10:32 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:26 pmkiki vanderway
June 2, 2014 at 10:32 pm24fan24
June 2, 2014 at 10:43 pmThis episode did have some great moments, but why does the CGI look incredibly bad this season? I’m not one that cares too much about graphics, but this season’s CGI has been exceptionally bad and worse than the other seasons by far.
Jonathan G
June 2, 2014 at 11:26 pmThese last two episodes have been ON FIRE (like Season 5 level of flames). Three weeks ago, I was complaining about how redundant and stale everything felt. How things have changed…
24fan24
June 3, 2014 at 1:00 am-All drone scenes
-Jack slicing Bashir’s throat and the blood splatter
-Naveed getting shot and the blood splatter
-The mansion explosion
-The blood expanding out of Naveed’s sister after being stabbed looked awful, and Simone getting hit by a bus looked even worse
-Blood splatter in the legs of the protestors Jack shot
Just some off the top of my head. Like I said too, I don’t mind graphics too much as long as everything else is good, but I just think the CGI this season has been “eh.”
TJ
June 3, 2014 at 2:03 am24 Spoilers
June 3, 2014 at 9:33 pmI agree with the rest of your list, though. The CGI hasn’t been that great, but luckily it only takes up a few seconds per episode.
TJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:29 am1. Jack’s frantic, hurried whisper mode of talking.
2. Jack’s favorite lines: a) “I give you my word” / “damn it” / “hurry, Chloe..”
3. The mole.
4. Jack willing to give himself up to the authorities – but only after he accomplishes his mission at hand.
5. A torture scene that uses a) electrocution; b) acid on a knife wound; c) gunshot to a limb or fleshy area.
Daniel Shaw
June 3, 2014 at 8:11 pmLen
June 2, 2014 at 11:14 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 12:03 am24fan24
June 3, 2014 at 12:39 amTJ
June 3, 2014 at 2:06 amBrad
June 3, 2014 at 2:57 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 2:40 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 2:39 pmDerek
June 3, 2014 at 11:16 amSo it isn’t the overused mole, and it’s not the soap opera office drama. It is a very clever positioning between those two clichés. My money is on Navarro selling secrets to Adrian to make a little extra scratch and framing Kate’s hubby. it will serve to bring Adrian back into the story to redeem both him and Kate.
Derek
June 3, 2014 at 11:19 amAgentRez
June 4, 2014 at 11:23 pmThat said, I am no longer convinced that Mark is just a slick politician/jealous husband. I am thinking that maybe there is some connection between him and this Chinese subplot we have going with Kate’s husband and now Navarro. Mark has been going around peddling this story about how he brought Audrey back from her ordeal in China that makes no sense, especially now that we know from his conversation with Jack that he met her after she got back from China. So I am thinking, what if he either had something to do with her capture or had something to do with keeping her in such bad shape for so long? I know Mary says this would be too predictable, but I don’t think so. I think everyone is supposed to think he’s just a jealous husband/scheming politician, and nobody is expecting him to have been involved with the plot going back to season 6.
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 11:51 pmI think Mark would make a super villain but it wouldn’t be anything we haven’t seen before. Logan locked Martha up in a mental institution. Kim and her creepy psychiatrist on Day 5. It’s just… he’s too that guy in desperate need of reminding you he went to Harvard (or the like) by throwing “fait accompli” into his everyday conversation and making you want to punch him in his perfect teeth. He’s the guy that drives you crazy when he’s not wrong about something because his approach is so terrible. I just don’t see this character as a sinister type of villain and even if he was? What does that say about Audrey? If the plot is Jack rescuing poor hapless Audrey from her big bad husband, why do we want her to be with him when she’s nothing more than a damsel in distress? Can’t Jack do better for a challenge than a guy who is a villain? That’s a little bit of an easy win for Jack. I think he can handle more than that.
I think the funniest thing about this plot is how they’re both ending up in the same boat. When Jack said to Mark that if he lived through the day, he’d be going straight to prison, Mark’s all silently ‘Uh, me too. Great talk, Jack.’ Before these two can duel for Audrey they have to stop the drones and keep the Russians at bay. That’s just kind of a hilarious plot. I feel like though they’re obviously never going to be best friends, they’re rapidly having more in common, despite getting in one another’s way in every way possible, whether it’s for Audrey’s affections or Heller’s regard or stopping the drones or anything to do with the Russians. At some point, they’re either going to be forced to work together or both drown.
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 4:31 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 12:00 amOzgur
June 3, 2014 at 4:50 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 2:42 pmMJ
June 3, 2014 at 3:12 pmAgentRez
June 4, 2014 at 8:27 pmzubarsky
June 9, 2014 at 10:28 pmBruce
June 2, 2014 at 10:05 pmkiki vanderway
June 2, 2014 at 10:06 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:17 pmChlojack
June 2, 2014 at 10:09 pmMatt
June 2, 2014 at 10:10 pmTJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:35 amOf course, my joy was shortlived as soon as the preview clips of next week showed Simone alive in a hospital and being rescued by Jack. Dammit!
joryjoey
June 2, 2014 at 10:19 pmDK Fynn
June 2, 2014 at 11:48 pmtheraserb
June 2, 2014 at 11:56 pm24 Spoilers
June 2, 2014 at 10:19 pmHow cool was that Kate Morgan kill? Yvonne Strahovski was great this episode.
kiki vanderway
June 2, 2014 at 10:35 pmTJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:41 amJP
June 4, 2014 at 1:58 am24marathonman
June 2, 2014 at 10:27 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:37 pm24marathonman
June 2, 2014 at 10:41 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:52 pm24fan24
June 3, 2014 at 9:32 amOkay, so I was pissed off yesterday, (as many people on here saw,) because I thought that Navarro was just another mole, and at the time, I didn’t care who he worked for or what his motives were. I think that I was fearing the idea of another mole for so long, (I didn’t really want Mark or Navarro to be moles, in particular) that I was very close minded to the idea from the beginning of Season 9.
Well, I just re-watched the episode, (specifically the final scene like, at least five or six times now,) and I can say without a doubt that Navarro is working for Adrian, which I actually think is freaking awesome.
Even though the voice is scrambled, it is clearly obvious that it is Michael Wincott’s (Adrian’s) voice on the other line. If you listen to some of his earlier lines in the previous episodes, it is easily recognizable. Plus, Navarro never mentioned anything to do with drones or Margot, which could make his search for Margot legitimate, making him exclusively involved with Adrian, and that’s freaking awesome!
Also, did anyone else notice Adrian wasn’t present in this episode? I know Open-Cell left Chloe at their hideout in Episode 5, but I still think that is an indirect way of telling us that it’s Adrian. I mean, the first episode besides EP1 that Adrian’s not in and we see that Navarro is a mole? I think it’s connected.
I have always loved 24’s three dimensional characters that might use the wrong methods to achieve great goals; Charles Logan, Walt Cummings, Christopher Henderson, and even Tony, to name a few. But one thing I don’t like is a mole that is just in it for money, because we have seen that so many times before. After re-watching this episode, I have a whole new idea about Navarro.
What if Navarro isn’t really good or bad like the characters I mentioned above? Sure, there’s a scale that says who leans more towards good and evil, but what if Navarro is trying to help the free information movement by being Adrian’s government contact? That would be an entire sub/side plot in itself, which would actually make this original.
I look like a foolish boob as I re-read my comments, but I also do stick with some of what I said earlier. If Navarro IS just another mole, or Adrian and Navarro are working for Margot in the end, then a great opportunity will have been destroyed by the writers. If not, then this might actually be one of the best seasons!
Brad
June 3, 2014 at 9:37 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 2:45 pmChris
June 6, 2014 at 3:33 amPhee
June 6, 2014 at 6:29 amOf course, then Cross needs a motive for that. Well, Chloe being captured was part of what kicked Jack back into action, got him in contact with the CIA, meaning that now Navarro has a means to get to Jack. If Cross has dirt on Navarro (due to the framing of Adam, and Navarro being the one who sold info to the Chinese in the first place), that’s handy for blackmailing him into doing his dirty work where Jack is involved. If Cross is orchestrating this big WHATEVER and part of his plan involves using/eliminating Jack, several story elements could tie together nicely.
And to take this speculation one step further, if Cross always wanted Chloe as bait to help draw out Jack, he could very well be behind the death of Morris and Prescott, because it was that loss that put Chloe in a mindset where Cross was able to snatch her up. (If this is the case, could we pretty please get a scene of Chloe holding Cross at gunpoint. She doesn’t hafta kill him, but a confrontation between them over him murdering her family would be warranted.)
Mary
June 6, 2014 at 10:38 amI’m having trouble buying that Cross is an evil mastermind, even though you don’t get much more “bad guy” than being the scrambled other end of a mole call and played by Michael Wincott. He’s obviously up to something but I think his personal feelings and his politics are pretty much exactly as we’ve seen them so far. He’s not into taking direct action because that’s not what Wikil–err, Open Cell– does, that’s not his (and their) politics, but those politics are born out of a kind of uberpatriotism. Adrian Cross is a “power to the people” kind of guy– he wants citizens informed and regaining control over the corruption in their governments. The biggest shock of the Navarro call isn’t that Navarro is a mole, IMO, it’s that Adrian Cross is helping a CIA agent cover his tracks without a gun to his head.
I believe that Cross is in love with Chloe. I think he would do anything for her. Looking back on it, Chloe was missing for three days and Cross had to assume the worst but he stayed, even though her disappearance made his whole organization vulnerable. He was obviously happy to see her when she returned and was okay. Like everyone else on this show, Cross can be dragged into doing something he probably would rather not if it means protecting someone he cares about. I think you’re right in that it connects to Chloe but I don’t think Cross set her up.
What’s weirdest is that Cross wasn’t angry that Navarro was going to get caught and he would lose a source for Open Cell. It doesn’t seem like Navarro is giving information to Open Cell at all– this is all about Adam Morgan and the stuff Navarro framed him for leaking to the Chinese. Cross and his group are protecting Navarro. They did the tech stuff to help him cover his tracks. Why would Cross lift a finger for Navarro? What favor does he owe him?
Mary
June 6, 2014 at 10:23 amI don’t think Navarro knew Chloe was down there. They told us that “Special Activities” operates under its own charter (in the same building) and keeps its list of who they have down there classified. Jordan had to hack into their systems in order to find out who might be down there that could connect to Jack and it’s only then that he and Kate figured out that Jack would be there for Chloe. It’s kind of like two offices sharing a building and, occasionally, they let each other make photocopies when the Xerox machine is down. They wave hi to Agent Dean in the morning and bring him a donut from time to time, but the CIA people don’t know who he has down there.
Which actually makes the whole Navarro and Adrian thing more interesting. Look at how much Navarro flipped out when Kate started suggesting that Jack had wanted to get caught and was coming for someone in the building. Navarro’s not dumb– he’s aware that Kate has great instincts as an agent, which is why he had her husband framed and is doing everything he can to get Kate out of his office before she figures out that he’s the mole. But, in retrospect? It’s as if Navarro panicked that Jack was there *for him*. It’s only after Jack escapes and it’s clear that he doesn’t know what Navarro is up to and was only there for Chloe, that Steve relaxes a bit… and reinstates Kate.
DK Fynn
June 2, 2014 at 11:50 pm24marathonman
June 2, 2014 at 10:34 pm24marathonman
June 2, 2014 at 10:35 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:38 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 10:52 pm-Farah on Day 9: sister of a reluctant antagonist (Naveed); Farah on Day 4: Dina’s sister. Both Farahs not aware of terrorist threat in their family, nor were they terrorists themselves.
-Simone kills parent of a young girl who idolizes her; they are running in the streets; Simone gets hit by a bus. All inverses of Kim Bauer on Day 2– Kim kills Gary in self-defense later in the day, after running around trying to save Megan. At one point, they both take a bus to CTU to get to Tony. Kim was rescuing Megan from an abusive parent while Simone was trying to get away from her abusive mother.
-The obviousness of Naveed having Debbie Pendleton’s phone in his pocket. :)
-The guy the camera lingered on who was moving Naveed’s body who looked a ton like Morris O’Brian. Morris was held hostage by terrorists and forced to help them on Day 6. Naveed refused to help in a somewhat similar plot and died. Morris got kidnapped in the first place because he thought his brother was in trouble; the plot that happens after we see Naveed’s body and Guy Who Looks Like Morris involves Naveed’s sister.
-The key to Jack conning someone is a bank account that needs to be accessed containing a couple of hundred thousand dollars of money missing from a terrorist stolen by Jack. Somewhere in the 24 afterlife, George Mason is laughing really hard at this plot.
-MI:5 getting attacked because of the mission is like MI:6 offices in LA getting hit on Day 6, especially because Jack needed info from their computers that he was scrambling to get and said info was related to a redheaded coconspirator of the terrorist they were trying to get to. Simone = Diana White; Margot = Saunders.
-That guy coming after Kate with the drill is like Fayed & Morris on Day 6.
-Kate strung up and tortured that way– white shirt, side wound, electrocution, the whole nine yards… too many parallels to count that have some/all of those. Chase on Day 3. Jack with Bazhaev’s goons on Day 8. The Day 6 Debrief/Jack in China. Jack on Day 2 with Kingsley’s men, etc..
-Russian embassy guy = the Cheng Zhi of that consulate but the new Mikhail Novakovich in terms of how wrapped up he is in the White House story.
-“She said you were good, a good man…” Kim on Day 1 to Andre Drazen: “My father is a good man.” (Andre: “No, he’s not.”)
-It’s possible that Heller might have forgotten that Jack was a traitor in that scene in the beginning where he forgets the circumstances surrounding Jack’s play. If that’s true, he might have gotten behind Jack so much because he thought it was back in the old days. This is similar to Jack on Day 7 thinking David Palmer was the President.
Mary
June 2, 2014 at 10:54 pmBrad
June 2, 2014 at 10:40 pmTJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:48 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:24 pmitsbighead
June 2, 2014 at 10:59 pmThe preferred choice of for Al Qaeda and the US Government
Jack
June 2, 2014 at 11:02 pmAnd I think there’s something more to this than Navarro just being a mole. Perhaps they’ve held him at ransom? “Otherwise we can’t protect you” – what’s that supposed to mean?
My favourite episode yet, well done ’24’ team.
AgentRez
June 2, 2014 at 11:37 pmThat said, there could be more to it than Navarro being a bad guy. We don’t know who he was talking to, and there could be some sort of a counter conspiracy. He could be playing the role that Gael played in season 3. But the fact that Kate’s husband was framed and either driven to suicide or murdered makes that less likely.
Jack
June 2, 2014 at 11:10 pm24 Spoilers
June 2, 2014 at 11:28 pmJonathan G
June 2, 2014 at 11:31 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 11:47 pmJack
June 2, 2014 at 11:32 pmAnd to be honest – I don’t think the Prime Minister’s adviser would address him as ‘PM’.
Mary
June 2, 2014 at 11:11 pmM
June 2, 2014 at 11:22 pmJonathan G
June 2, 2014 at 11:29 pmJack
June 2, 2014 at 11:35 pmKiki Vanderway
June 2, 2014 at 11:39 pmKiki Vanderway
June 2, 2014 at 11:48 pmAgentRez
June 2, 2014 at 11:35 pmWhat really pissed me off tonight was the way he not only acted like a douche to Jack,
but then he goes and tells Audrey that he told Jack to stay away because he was concerned what Jack’s presence might do to her, but never does it occur to him to ask her how she is coping/feeling with Jack being there. Given how hard it must be for her she could use some support, and he should be asking if she’s okay rather than acting like she did something wrong by going to talk to Jack.
Meanwhile, did anyone notice how Jack lied and told Mark that Audrey said that he was a good man who made her happy, even though Audrey noticeably didn’t say that? That broke my heart, because I know Jack was just trying to avoid causing any more problems for her.
Also, I noticed that Mark said to Jack that Audrey was in bad shape when he met her. Now his explanation of how he helped bring her back makes even less sense. I figured they must have known each other before she went to China…why would he have stood by her and loved her when she was completely nonresponsive and lifeless if he didn’t even know her before?
Kiki Vanderway
June 2, 2014 at 11:44 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 11:57 pmMary
June 2, 2014 at 11:58 pmAgentRez
June 3, 2014 at 8:17 amThe fact that Mark first met her when she was in such bad shape makes me more suspicious of him, that maybe he was, as you put it, ‘backing a horse’ by using her to get in with her father. It makes sense if you think about it: she is the daughter of a potentially powerful politician whose political career was probably put on hold by her condition. By taking care of her and helping her recover, he probably earned her father’s trust and made it possible for him to run for president, thus putting Mark in a position of power.
Mary
June 3, 2014 at 2:57 pmI think the idea that Mark pushed his way into the Heller family is exactly what you’re supposed to think right now. If it’s that, then there’s no further twist here and Mark’s a villain. Mark’s too complicated to be a straight-up villain– they’ve already made him the most complex new character this season. And they’re being really cagey and restrained with Audrey in a way that could give everything another meaning if they pull a twist later where she’s up to more than she seems to be.
theraserb
June 3, 2014 at 12:10 amJonathan G
June 2, 2014 at 11:40 pmM
June 2, 2014 at 11:45 pmJonathan G
June 3, 2014 at 12:29 amDK Fynn
June 2, 2014 at 11:41 pmI wasn’t too far wrong.
Clayton
June 2, 2014 at 11:49 pmI’m also liking the way the Russian story is bubbling to the surface. I don’t know where it’s going, and I’m quite liking it. The fat Russian guy on the line actually seems like a very interesting character. I wonder if he’ll get the Russian president involved (will Suvarov show up with a reign on 24 that parallels Putin’s RL reign?). All-in-all, I’m glad things are taking an upward turn. All the characters are starting to find themselves in a jam (except Chloe; she has become a human prop, as usual)… I can’t wait for next week.
M
June 3, 2014 at 12:00 amAnd now we know Kate Morgan Husband is not a traitor but framed to take the fall…..wonder if the two subplot will merge
TJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:53 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 12:01 amImgonnaneedahacksaw
June 3, 2014 at 12:06 amClayton
June 3, 2014 at 12:49 amtheraserb
June 3, 2014 at 12:56 amThis was obviously an introduction to the main villain of the season, who is most likely Adrian Cross, I mean, missing code from a program that can’t have missing code (sounds like very high profile hacking), the crime was stealing government secrets which sounds a lot like open cell, so yeah, most likely Adrian Cross, or his boss if he has one. Nevertheless even if it was an introduction I believe that the matter could be handled a bit better without the need of Navarro being a traitorous person.
Other thing I didn’t liked at all on this season in general, is the Al-Harazi family plot. I mean, really, the brother worried about Simone just an episode after he himself was the sword that slayed Naveed by reporting the video (ok, that was ok since Naveed brought that upon himself) and saying “Yay Mothaaar, you can kill an Arab (sorry for the stranger / the cure pun) because I can drive this dronezies” … So yeah, overall I feel nothing with this terror family and I feel their sideplot was somewhat a bit of a miss at parts, like simone’s change of heart this episode. I mean she didn’t even grasp or anything at Naveed’s death come on…
Finally the good points of this episode were both Kate Morgan’s kick ass kill, and also Mark’s call with the russians. He is so gonna bite the dust because of that, and not because he is bad, but his bad judgement will come and bite him in his ars-, so bad luck for him and good luck for Audrey (?). Nevertheless the political crisis could be really awesome despite
Tran
June 3, 2014 at 1:22 amJack
June 3, 2014 at 6:29 amBrad
June 3, 2014 at 6:57 am24marathonman
June 3, 2014 at 7:27 amBrad
June 3, 2014 at 7:41 amMary
June 4, 2014 at 9:33 pm24 Spoilers
June 3, 2014 at 1:46 amMaybe I’m reading too much into it, but could the writers be foreshadowing Jack dying?
M
June 3, 2014 at 1:50 amAgentRez
June 4, 2014 at 11:30 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 12:07 am24Lulu
June 5, 2014 at 10:54 amUnlikely, but then again…
Mary
June 5, 2014 at 11:37 amTJ
June 3, 2014 at 1:56 amOzgur
June 3, 2014 at 7:58 amJack will probably die when he begins talking like “I have my life back. I want to live now.”
uncle carol
June 3, 2014 at 2:08 amHopefully Russia takes in Audrey’s husband for forging Heller’s signature. I guess Jack has to reveal the only reason he came out of hiding was to protect Audrey with his life. While her husband’s idea of protecting her was to troll Jack.
M
June 3, 2014 at 2:36 amsprite
June 3, 2014 at 9:58 amuncle carol
June 3, 2014 at 2:12 amJackBauerFan1977
June 3, 2014 at 2:17 amM
June 3, 2014 at 2:35 amCross has to be involve somehow since he tried to set up Jack to get arrested…..and I don’t Navarro committed treason. it might be a third party not associated with any country. I love to know why Navarro is doing this……maybe he been blackmail by setting Adam up
JackBauerFan1977
June 3, 2014 at 2:41 amJackBauerFan1977
June 3, 2014 at 2:48 amRobin24
June 3, 2014 at 5:46 amTJ
June 3, 2014 at 9:35 amLAD Fan
June 3, 2014 at 11:32 pmKate G
June 4, 2014 at 7:47 amLAD Fan
June 3, 2014 at 2:52 amsecondly i thin it’s from now on Mark going to get big trouble. i think russians somehow knows it’s Mark who signed the Jack’s Extradition order. so there are going to use that against Mark and blackmailing him into take forward Russians Agenda in US Government.
Ozgur
June 3, 2014 at 4:09 amRenee at least felt like a real agent with plausible strengths and weaknesses. Kate on the other hand feels like a feminist fantasy. Are they going to bother writing a flaw with the character or is she going to stay a two-dimensional Agent Perfect for the rest of the season?
sprite
June 3, 2014 at 10:02 amChlojack
June 3, 2014 at 2:28 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:04 pmOzgur
June 3, 2014 at 3:45 pmChris
June 6, 2014 at 6:08 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:03 pmOzgur
June 3, 2014 at 3:52 pmAnd yeah because Renee never bothered with redemption in S8 when the opportunity presented itself. She just ran away from that undercover mission after all. Geez.
And if you are even calling Renee Walker as Mary Sue, you don’t even know the meaning of the term at all, in which universe was Renee Walker a perfect agent who never made a mistake and handled everything the life threw at her?
sprite
June 4, 2014 at 3:26 amOzgur
June 4, 2014 at 3:52 amAnd Kate Morgan pretty much fits the Mary Sue stereotype better than anyone else in the show due to her ‘awesome perfection’ in her last six episodes. Sure things may change in remaining episodes but when the writers always choose the best decision for the character regardless of the situation she is in, it is hard to be optimistic.
sprite
June 4, 2014 at 5:29 amOzgur
June 4, 2014 at 7:59 amThe essence of Mary Sue is an author writing his\her fantasy character into the story by giving one awesome trait after another to him\her without writing any significant flaw that affects the story.
And that is my problem with Kate, there is no flaw with her. She is absolutely perfect, as Jack says she is someone who can handle anything that is thrown at her regardless of the circumstances. She is analytical genius, physical hardass, gun toting badass, she valiantly defies authority without any significant consequences and I am really getting tired of this perfection.
Well, the difference between you and me is I am absolutely not buying Kate. She is obviously created with a purpose of continuing the show without Bauer, and I don’t like the ‘in your face’ approach of attributing qualities of Jack to her.
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 6:17 pmWhat I did like about Renee Walker was that she was complicated. She was, frankly, an enormous mess of a woman, which was interesting. What I didn’t like about Renee Walker is that there seems to be a significant part of the fanbase of 24 that then hold every woman in the series up against Renee in terms of complexity and epicness and what a “strong female” character should look like. I feel like that undersells the strong female characters this show has *always* turned out, who were complex and complicated long before Renee Walker showed up. Just because she had a gun and slept with Jack doesn’t make her this infallible barometer to which we should hold up all other female characters.
You’re also judging Kate Morgan on six episodes when Renee was around for a season and a half. And, let’s be serious here? Renee only truly got interesting when they started playing around with her sadistic, rage-a-holic side. Until then, she might as well have been Curtis or Doyle for all the character development she had.
Ozgur
June 5, 2014 at 5:43 am:::strong female characters this show has *always* turned out,
No, actually, the show really had a weakness of creating complex female characters because these male writers were either using cliches or were too safe without taking any risks. You have Sherry Palmer who was complex but unfortunately a total bitch. You have Michelle Dessler who was written in a very straightforward manner, a model agent who couldn’t do any wrong (except maybe once). At least, she was not a superagent like Kate. You have Chloe O’brien, who is nothing but a deus-ex-machina. The rest are your usual damsel and distresses and love interests like Audrey or Teri or your cartoonish villains like Nina and Mandy. And we have Kate now whose character can easily be summed up with just one sentence ‘Badass CIA Agent who can do no wrong’. A very safely written character who would always make the right decision in any situation she has found herself and someone who would not pay the consequences of her impulsive behaviour dearly (well you know because she is the spin-off chick).
:::: And, let’s be serious here? Renee only truly got interesting when they started playing around with her sadistic, rage-a-holic side
Yeah, of course if you say so. Actually, the most interesting part I found about Renee’s character was that she was trapped between two different worlds, and she was trying to find her way between what had to be done urgently, her morals, and her conscience and her evolution to the dark side. And that was already established within the first 10 episodes of S7. You may not find that interesting, but I really did find it compelling and I am pretty confident a lot of viewers did as well. So, yeah let’s be serious here.
Mary
June 5, 2014 at 11:00 amre: blaming Kate for not being omniscient & realizing it was Navarro.
I don’t blame Kate for not knowing the plot. I’m saying Kate is not perfect because she has yet to even *suspect* the plot. At no point have we gotten any indication that Kate thinks her husband was set up. She married a man whom she thought she knew and she when it looked like he was a traitor, she never thought maybe *others* were wrong– she thought *she* was wrong. That’s a flaw. That makes Kate imperfect because she didn’t trust her own gut where this was concerned. Kate is a spy who seems to have never considered that someone she works closely with could have been responsible for setting up her husband. Right now? Jordan Reed is a better intelligence agent than Kate is. He’s at least wondering if Adam was set up and it would seem like he’s been wondering this for awhile. Jordan has the outside perspective of being able to see this where Kate can’t because she’s too close to the situation. Letting your personal relationships get in the way of your judgement (a theme of this season across the board) is a major flaw and Kate has it. That alone makes her far from Agent Perfect.
re: complex female characters
OMG you think Sherry Palmer wasn’t complicated? A woman who’d do anything to protect her family and her husband– Sherry was the original complicated female character on 24. And not just complicated female character but first one down the rabbit hole that many of the men followed later. Joined a conspiracy to stop a conspiracy? Sherry did that long before Tony. Of course she was a bitch– and it was WONDERFUL. :) Being a bitch doesn’t make you not a strong, female character.
Michelle Dessler was a better agent than Tony was. Michelle and Tony reversed the stereotypes of gender roles in a typical tv romance. He got held hostage, he did the cooking, he wanted to get out and start a family. Michelle was the one who would sacrifice him for the greater good, whose career came first. There had never been a more subversive romance on t.v. when it came to gender than Tony & Michelle.
Chloe O’Brian “nothing but a deus ex machina”? A woman who sasses off to the male protagonist and has some kind of clear personality disorder? A mother who didn’t put her son above the greater good– when do you see *that* on television?
Nina was far from cartoonish. She was the one who outsmarted the very male lead character of the show. She outsmarted *everyone*, consistently. Teri Bauer was raped to save her daughter and beat a guy up with nothing but a rock. Audrey, no matter what you think of her China story, held a high ranking position in several different administrations and made a lot of tough calls unusual for women on television. I dislike that character but that’s because I dislike her choices, not because those choices didn’t make her tough.
Mandy not feminist? A lesbian (maybe bisexual) woman who uses sex like a weapon in the way men typically do on television, who in her first episode detonated a bomb from a trigger she got on board hidden in a rather freudian looking vibrator in her makeup case? The miniskirts and the boots made for walkin’ that walked all over everyone? Mandy kidnapped *Tony Almeida*– she took the show’s male sex god, beat him up, gagged him, made him take his clothes off (thanks, Mandy!) and had him on his knees for the better part of the penultimate episode of a season but no, that’s just something a lot of shows do… *eyeroll*
re: Renee’s story and what was compelling about it and when
To each his/her own on what you find compelling but Renee trapped between The World She Used To Live In and This New Bright and Shiny Jack Bauer World! is a plot given to anyone who has ever encountered Jack Bauer throughout the series. It wasn’t terribly original to me and for the first few episodes, Renee is largely a victim of the circumstances surrounding Jack & Tony’s reunion. She gets buried alive, she gets choked out and left behind, she’s just kind of there until she goes to torture the sniper. That and torturing Vossler’s wife and baby were really the only unique things they gave her to do. Even when she starts to cry and wonder if Jack “feels anything”, she’s slapping him just like Audrey did before and it’s an indicator that Renee might not be as mentally stable as we think she is. But those indicators are kind of few and far between early on, so she’s just Jack’s sidekick for awhile. It took awhile, IMO, for them to really begin pursuing who she was in her own right and until that kicked into gear, Renee was just kind of there for me. I found her a lot more interesting towards the end of Day 7 and on Day 8 than I did at the start.
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 12:13 pmkiki vanderway
June 5, 2014 at 5:09 pmEven the minor ones stay away from stereotypes: Elizabeth Nash in S1; Lynn Kresge S2; Dr. Sunny Macer S3/S7; Kate Warner S2/S3, Marie Warner S2; Claudia S3; Evelyn S5; Karen Hayes S5/S6 just to name a few. Admittedly there were some misses– but overall by populating the show with men and women portrayed as competent, committed, intelligent and simply allowing them to be good at what they do and well rounded characters even in small parts the writers elevated the whole show. And the fact that they did it without overtly screaming out– hey this one is not just as eye candy! Please give us a pat on the back for being progressive! makes me even more appreciative of the work.
Kiki Vanderway
June 4, 2014 at 8:08 amIts not only that the circumstances are desperate but also that Kate is struggling to validate her worth as an agent to her co-workers as well as to remain confident in her own gut instincts despite what happened with Adam. Jack’s reaction to betrayal really didn’t influence the character until Day 2 and beyond so when we meet Jack he is well on the way to getting it all together and over the series it falls apart in many ways which has been fascinating to watch. Here, she starts out so completely broken personally and professionally but somehow able to tap a core faith in herself.
I think Kate is open to influence by Jack but what is fabulous is how clearly she is also calling her own shots, working in tandem with him but not just towing the line or following his footsteps.
Yvonne Strahovski is killing it and she is such an unexpected, wonderful gem that I am buying in hard this season and so hoping they will bring it back again.
sprite
June 4, 2014 at 9:57 amKiki, I’m right there with you. Like… exactly there. haha. LAD has shown me that I would absolutely watch more seasons after this one with Jack at the helm, which hasn’t really surprised me because Kiefer as Jack Bauer is one of TV’s greatest characters bar none. What has surprised me is that I would definitely eventually be happy to watch an incarnation of 24 that centers around Kate Morgan. Provided Jack is not in prison or dead and has finally gotten the respite he deserves living somewhere with Audrey and visits from his grandkids. And that he could pop up once in a while when Kate is in a jam.
Kiki Vanderway
June 4, 2014 at 10:35 amI think they do recognize how lucky they got with casting Kiefer — he’s good in many roles but he is magical and riveting as Jack Bauer and I would watch him in 24 forever.
I really hope they know how rare it is for lighting to strike twice and are able to see that Yvonne as Kate is very similar and what a fantastic opportunity they have to run with it.
Fingers crossed!
sprite
June 4, 2014 at 11:06 amMy favorite performances of Kiefer’s outside of 24 are always the villains. He’s really truly oscar worthy in Freeway, a B movie masterpiece. But I’m off topic! Forgive me.
Jason
June 3, 2014 at 4:26 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:06 pmSeba
June 3, 2014 at 11:15 pmHe is the one on the phone.
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 6:20 pmHadi
June 3, 2014 at 6:07 amAlso you guys know that chloe is alone now right, and cross knows her location…. R.I.P :( please don’t kill chloe
Hadi
June 3, 2014 at 6:08 amTony
June 3, 2014 at 6:18 amI loved the way Heller delivered that.
I wouldn’t mind a Kate Morgan CIA show spin off if they don’t bring 24 back, or if 24 doesn’t come back on a yearly basis. She has earned her stripes all season, but cemented it with that amazing knife kill in this episode.
As for Navarro, I really wish they would’ve avoided using another mole story line, but I’ll hold judgement until the end of the season to see what they do with it. I really hope they use this mole story line to bring back a character from the past (the other person on the other line of the phone conversation) and to introduce another party into the mix.
Navarro should be ruled out that he’s not working with Margo, since he would’ve known about the ambush from the previous episode and almost got killed from it. If I had to guess I would say he is working for either that mysterious group that Alan Wilson was working with (the other Co-Conspirators from that anonymous internet video chat he conducted in Season 7) or possibly he is working with the Russian government and was the one selling them secrets, but placed the blame on Adam Morgan (Kate’s husband) when he was on the verge of getting caught.
The 24 viral marketing website (www.open-cell.org) named after Chloe’s activist group does mention in a newspaper article about Adam Morgan, and that he was caught selling secrets to the Russian federation. Somehow I also feel the Russian’s are involved or tangled up somewhere in this mess to implicate themselves in something bad allowing the U.S. Government to make a deal with them to pardon Jack Bauer at the end of the day so he can be allowed to be a free man and live another day (pun intended).
Love this season so far! I hope they keep 24 around after this season. It really has been injected with new life after being away for 4 years, and going to this fast paced adrenaline 12 hour episode format.
AgentKarena
June 3, 2014 at 12:24 pmAs moles go, Navarro is a pretty good choice. Isn’t he the first CTU/CIA agency chief to be a traitor? Some of the other bosses were bad in their own way, but he seems more despicable. Plus, it’s interesting that he acted like a good guy who appreciated and sympathized with Kate.
itsbighead
June 3, 2014 at 9:10 amTJ
June 3, 2014 at 9:37 amitsbighead
June 4, 2014 at 4:29 amMary
June 4, 2014 at 6:21 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:06 pmMarlon
June 3, 2014 at 9:45 amThe PM finding out about Heller’s condition
The MI5 mucking things up
Kate kicking ass (and loving it – did you see the relief on her face?)
Margot getting more evil as the season goes on
The Jack and Mark meet
Navarro’s phone call (which I agree could be with Cross now that I’ve read thru all your thoughts)
Brilliant 24 and I personally love the inclusion of the mole…this is what 24 is about people. Moles, terrorists, torture etc. Love it or leave it!
Tiny
June 3, 2014 at 10:10 amMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:07 pmOlivia
June 3, 2014 at 11:06 amsprite
June 3, 2014 at 11:38 amkikivanderway
June 3, 2014 at 3:02 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:15 pmSo if Jack and Nils The Unseen Dead Guy went to a buy two weeks ago for Rask and Nils wound up dead and this is also the same amount of time ago that Jack learned of the Margot threat, safe to say that this buy was with Margot, right? That Jack & Nils were supposed to deliver arms to Margot and return to Rask with his money? But Jack learned about the threat against Heller and split from Rask to try to stop the Margot threat. So, for the last two weeks… he’s been working with Margot?
This would explain why Simone (who had been away from the family for three weeks) doesn’t recognize him. It would also explain why Margot wasn’t terribly concerned about the American following Simone but then was shocked that someone knew what they were doing when the drone recall happened. In order to stop the threat, Jack got Margot to bring him in on the mission, which is probably how Nils wound up dead. He was loyal to Rask, so Jack killed him to prove allegiance to Margot. But why does Margot need him and why would someone so insular and so very not stupid just let Jack in on this mission in the first place?
And why then did Jack just do this whole run around with Rask? He told Heller he was going to get Rask to contact Margot but that’s not his plan once he’s got Kate in the car. Instead, his plan is to get into Rask’s computers and follow a money trail to find someone else who can connect them to Margot. If Jack’s been working for Margot, then he could have just called her this entire time. He might not know where she’s hiding but he could know how to contact her. So what’s he *really* doing besides trying to stop this threat? He has to have another play here or else his own story to Kate and Chloe and what we’ve seen with Rask makes no sense.
Trevor
June 3, 2014 at 4:11 pm24Nathan
June 3, 2014 at 6:23 pmsprite
June 4, 2014 at 3:28 amMary
June 4, 2014 at 6:24 pmComplicating all this is David Fury tweeting that Rask and Margot haven’t had contact in over a year. So Jack staked his whole play on being able to have a current connection between Margot and a guy she hadn’t talked to for over a year?
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@TheDavidFury David, One question, so Rank and his org sold things to Margot but had no idea what she ws up to?
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@AjayCnyc The business she did with Rask was more than a year earlier, and had nothing to do with the drone plot.
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 1:29 amMary
June 5, 2014 at 11:20 amI’m starting to think that it’s not possible to make what Jack is up to make sense if he didn’t also decide to take down Margot at some point and began to work alongside her (while playing her) in order to get closer to what she was up to. If we know Rask & Margot haven’t had contact in a long time, then the only way that makes sense for Jack learning of the threat to Heller is if he learned of it from Margot herself. She’s desperate to keep it all hidden and is very insular so the only way Jack could have known is if he was working with her.
I’m a little suspicious of “this time, I’m doin’ it for me”. I love Jack as a kind of Batman, doing what he does with no government affiliation, and the enormous amount of morally grey that is being a bad guy to take out bigger bad guys. It’s awesome. But it also doesn’t entirely add up if it’s *just* this. Jack’s still so angry, still so pissed at the government, and maybe he’s doing something else for himself. Maybe he has some kind of personal end goal here. I still think there’s a personal mission involved so that this’ll pan out more like Tony on Day 7– he’s stopping bad guys left and right and seems like the biggest damn hero and gets everyone on board with what he’s up to and then they realize that’s not *just* what he’s been up to.
If you buy into the idea that maybe Jack faked those bank transactions– faked a more current link between Margot & Rask– which you sort of have to buy into because David Fury is telling us that they couldn’t have been real, then it’s back to why? If Jack’s been hanging out with Margot while trying to stop Margot, then *he’s* the guy who could have contacted Margot all this time. Obviously, Jack doesn’t want a bazillion innocent people to die and is trying to stop that but why this other plan running alongside just stopping Margot? He lied to Heller a bit– he said he could get Rask to call Margot and locate her. Then, he goes into the field, and what he’s really doing is getting Rask to log into an online banking site, to access faked banking transactions linking him recently to Margot, beside which is a mobile phone number belonging to Simone. So, we are to believe that Margot Al-Harazi is dumb enough to have never heard of burner phones? That she used her daughter’s phone to move money? Even if we didn’t know from David Fury that those transactions were faked, this would be a leap. And Chloe’s buying it– the same woman who said the IP address thing was a dumb mistake that Margot couldn’t possibly have made and that it was a trap is now believing that Margot had financial dealings with Rask and left a cell phone number in those transactions that just so happens to be in London and lead straight back to her.
Jack started the day chasing Simone down to get the override device. Maybe this is his Plan B because she escaped. Maybe Jack’s really been trying to get to Simone all along because he knows who she is but she doesn’t know who he is and he wants to use her against her mother to get whatever it is that he needs from Margot for his own personal plan. General Useless in the political plot reminded us that the drones are equipped with the latest in stealth technology. Does Jack want to get his hands on that for some reason and sell it to someone else for something? Or someone? Is he trying to buy his freedom from the Russians?
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 12:21 pmThat was a great analysis. I’m so curious. It makes me wish there were more episodes this season. Maybe not 24 as there is so much room for filler, but 18 perhaps?
Mary
June 5, 2014 at 2:13 pmIt would make what Jack said to Mark a hilarious lie and an ironic one at that, since it’s Mark who, if he lives through this day, is looking at a prison sentence at the rate his plot is going. Though I did think Jack wondered if he was going to make it through this day or not. He seems to usually wonder this, because he’s not aware that the rest of the season can’t continue if he dies. ;)
Jack working with Margot also makes sense when you consider that Jack needs Chloe to help him stop Margot, which could explain why it was Derrick Yates who was contracted to build the override device. Jack got Margot to get Yates to do it without Margot realizing that the whole reason why he wanted it to be Yates was to create a reason for Jack to involve Chloe & Open Cell in the threat. This gets even fishier when you consider that Chloe was randomly grabbed three days before Day 9 and taken to the CIA black site… and Jack knew where she was. We saw that Jack set Chloe up early on in the day– he got her to lead him and Belcheck to Open Cell without realizing it was a trap. Did Jack make it so that Chloe got picked up by the CIA, just so that he could go rescue her and get her to trust him if that trust had wained in the last 4 years? We keep forgetting how damn clever he is.
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 12:32 pmRonnieTheC
June 3, 2014 at 12:21 pmXAM
June 3, 2014 at 2:11 pmIf you DON’T like anything about LAD… well that’s an entirely different matter isn’t it?
Clayton
June 4, 2014 at 1:55 amHina
June 3, 2014 at 12:29 pmXAM
June 3, 2014 at 2:25 pmMJ
June 3, 2014 at 3:19 pmTo me, the most intense moment was the shootout between Karl Rask’s crew and the MI6 agents. I liked how the action displayed itself progressively and how Jack had to fight in order to do one simple action: logging into a bank account on a laptop while he is surrounded by gunfire. Unbelievable!
As far as the “mole” goes, I have my own theory. Steve Navarro isn’t working for Margot Al-Harazi, but someone else who wants to cover up Adam Morgan’s treachery and death, either in order to protect Kate or to misdirect her. That’s just how I see it. It’s too soon to say that he is a mole. We don’t know that yet. I have my own theory as far as the real mole goes, but we will see how things develop. I might speak out loud too soon.
Mary
June 3, 2014 at 3:29 pmMary
June 3, 2014 at 3:32 pmKiki Vanderway
June 3, 2014 at 3:47 pmJackBauerFan1977
June 4, 2014 at 8:18 amkikivanderway
June 4, 2014 at 12:42 pmMary
June 4, 2014 at 6:26 pmI agree, Kiki, that it doesn’t serve Mark’s interests to leak that info. They all seem to be doing everything they can to keep it under wraps. Audrey? Ron Clark? General Useless?
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 12:25 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 1:56 pmsprite
June 5, 2014 at 3:59 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 4:10 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 4:13 pmsprite
June 5, 2014 at 4:41 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 9:05 pmMJ
June 5, 2014 at 4:04 pmCatherine
June 3, 2014 at 3:53 pmIt seems to me the authors want to make a spin off with Kate instead of Jack … it will be without me! No Jack= no watch
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 7:21 pmOlivia
June 3, 2014 at 4:04 pmMary
June 4, 2014 at 7:23 pmLady J
June 7, 2014 at 3:23 amMary
June 8, 2014 at 3:17 pmRose Marie Sirianni
June 3, 2014 at 5:59 pmkiki vanderway
June 3, 2014 at 6:53 pm24JUNKIE
June 3, 2014 at 6:21 pmChlojack
June 3, 2014 at 10:50 pmJP
June 4, 2014 at 2:02 amSorry FOX but you need to start planning Season 10!!! This is badass 24 returning to its best! Even if we get a spinoff with Agent Kate Morgan….I’d be happy too..she was sensational! a female Jack Bauer in the making!
Catherine
June 4, 2014 at 4:17 amJack has infiltrated a group of arm dealers and returns saying he wants to help the leader: same as in season 2, he enlisted Kate as a bait same in season 8 with Renee. . And exactly the same torture scene as Jack in season 7 with the Russian mob: Kate is suspended, tortured with electricity, and escaped in the same way , choking the guy with her legs and stabbing him .
I don’t like this Kate’s character, Renée copy and paste, but at least between Renee and Jack there was tension , she didn’t approve of his methods, they argued (she even slaps him in a episode) but gradually became like him . Here is just a Lady Bauer, when she pricks herself the Jack’s look is ridiculous: “Oh look what a bas ass !!!”
And Kiefer said in all his interviews that Jack was harder, angrier … I did not see anything . As for his opposition to Chloe, a good idea, it lasted one episode and Chloe regained her usual role !
Otherwise there is a caricatural villain (far from such a villain with the sense of humor like Hodges in season 7) a president without personality , a character who is useless: Erik , and a maule, Navarro, obvious, from the beginning, he doesn’t stop repeating ” Kate ‘s husband is a traitor ”
But especially since the beginning no surprise, no WTF moments
If there were 24 episodes I would not worry about, but here we are in the middle of the season…I hope to have some big surprises, and complicated/impossible decisions for Jack to make, and more dramatic intensity.
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 6:35 pmAll 24 characters evoke one another to a certain extent. You’re supposed to see parallels between them– that’s what leads to discussions about the relative morality of what you’re watching. But to call Kate a ripoff of Renee is laughable. At least call her a ripoff of Michelle Dessler-meets-Kate Warner– actual strong female characters whose response to the hell they’ve been through wasn’t to cry that they were sooooo alone and try to slash their wrists and need their poor, maligned souls healed by Jack.
Chlojack
June 4, 2014 at 7:31 pm24fan24
June 4, 2014 at 8:58 pmI feel like the writers think they’ve technically already established Kate as a character in the new season because they’ve spent eight seasons establishing Jack, and since they’re so similar, it is clearly obvious that they’re trying to make us slowly forget about Jack so that we can see the Kate Morgan Power-Hour premiere after LAD.
Just my own personal opinion, though.
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 9:50 pmI don’t think the writers have decided that Kate is Jack though and that’s it. They’re planting the direction for the spinoff for sure but that’s all the more reason to make Kate Morgan the most fully realized, individual character they can make her, otherwise the spinoff will not be very interesting.
Ozgur
June 5, 2014 at 6:10 amBesides, they haven’t even written a morally ambiguous decision for Kate yet unlike the stuff they did with Jack and Renee. So there isn’t really anything for Kate to feel morally reluctant about so far.
Mary
June 5, 2014 at 11:30 amKate’s made a couple of smaller morally grey choices already. She tazered that security guard and roped Jordan in against orders to try to figure out what was going on with Jack, for one. She attacked a guy and put a friend in a spot where he could be fired for her own agenda. Even though we haven’t spent a lot of time with her yet, those are some questionable moral decisions she’s had to make already.
sprite
June 5, 2014 at 1:31 amsprite
June 5, 2014 at 1:33 amMary
June 5, 2014 at 11:32 amsprite
June 5, 2014 at 12:37 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 1:48 pmChlojack
June 5, 2014 at 3:13 pmFanta
June 5, 2014 at 6:05 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 9:07 pm24Nathan
June 4, 2014 at 6:51 pmMary
June 4, 2014 at 7:26 pmMarry me, 24Nathan.
Kiki Vanderway
June 4, 2014 at 8:21 pm24Nathan
June 5, 2014 at 5:57 pme_action
June 4, 2014 at 6:57 amHowever what I think is this isn’t a straight up simple, ‘I’m working for the bad guys’ trope that has been seen in previous seasons (Dana Walsh ergh)
Lets not forget that Tony was essentially a mole in season 3, doing the wrong things for the right reasons. I have a feeling this will be more than the typical storyline with limited motivations that we’re used to.
I think it will boil down to Kate and her husband’s involvement in selling secrets. This will not be as it seems, maybe Steve fabricated his involvement to cover up what he was doing? Maybe there’s some greater reveal yet.
Also, call me crazy, but I don’t think we’ve seen all the returning cast from the previous seasons.
Logic says it’ll be Kim, but I am still holding out the notion that Tony could make an appearance. It would be a tough sell (no tougher than bringing him back from the dead). But having Tony as no longer being in custody (escaped, back hand deals), could be tasked by the Russian’s to bring Jack in for them. With the time jump and the fact that the Russians are aware that he’s in London, it could be their way of avoiding political fallout, Tony was an American prisoner, Jack is a fugitive, it would keep both governments with a sense of denial. Just an idea.
Mary
June 4, 2014 at 7:28 pmRick
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Clayton
June 4, 2014 at 2:32 pmXAM
June 4, 2014 at 5:24 pmAlmost as awesome as getting a real job… or better yet killing yourself.
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Olivia
June 4, 2014 at 12:43 pmRonnieTheC
June 4, 2014 at 4:11 pmMary
June 4, 2014 at 6:54 pmBleepbloop24
June 4, 2014 at 10:05 pmBesides that this episode rocked! Great action and suspense, some great character moments, love the Simone stuff (don’t get why her story is getting so much hate) and overall really well paced.
At first I hated that MI5 came in to screw it up. And although it does seem way too convenient as a writing device to create conflict, I also think its believable given the circumstances, and think it’ll lead to an interesting confrontation between heller and the PM
MJ
June 5, 2014 at 3:56 pmOn this note, I think it’s safe to say that 24 is headed in the right direction once again.
Jeremiah Grande
June 4, 2014 at 10:36 pmJohn
June 5, 2014 at 9:08 amChlojack
June 5, 2014 at 2:12 pmShaun Clark
June 5, 2014 at 11:19 amSo, Steve is the mole? maybe not!! we will just have to wait and see, I think Adrian is on the other end of the phone but I could be wrong?
The part where Simone got run over by that bus, well that’s wasn’t a surprise since some pictures were realised a few months back on here so I knew that was coming.
Jack and Kate were brilliant kicking ass :)
Looking forward to next week’s episode, looks brilliant from the preview trailer with many explosions and a car chase.
RonnieTheC
June 5, 2014 at 12:26 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 1:46 pmI believe that Tony is in prison right now. I thought so even before Carlos Bernard was saying it at the Chicago Comic Con recently. What I think is up in the air is how long he’s been there and why he’s there in the first place and even where he’s imprisoned, all of which they could make work in the story with the other breadcrumbs they’ve been dropping.
RonnieTheC
June 5, 2014 at 4:45 pmIsn’t 24 just a fabulous show. I recently wrote an article about why 24 is so enduring and why we need Jack Bauer. Maybe I will re-print it on this site. Also, before it was announced that 24 season 9 would return as 24 LAD, I started to write a novel called “24. Day Nine. The Final Hours.” The story was fantastic. I told Glen Morshower (Aaron Pierce) my story (I have met him through one of my close friends) and he thought it was fabulous. Depending on how LAD ends, I will probably change much of the beginning and finish the book.
Edwin Alexander
June 5, 2014 at 8:02 pmMary
June 5, 2014 at 9:24 pmLove your theory but you’re forgetting that Danny Dessler is still out there and he wants revenge for his sister but unlike Tony, he blames Jack for Michelle’s death because everything under the sun is Jack’s fault, ya know? Only Kim introduced Danny to Aunt Carol at the family picnic one year awhile back and they’ve been secretly in love, which complicates stuff ’cause now Danny can’t kill Kim in revenge, ya know? This family stuff makes the morality shit complicated. Anyway, the big twist is clearly that Shari Rothenberg once sued Mark Boudreau and the Russians find out about it and threaten to out him as her baby daddy so he has to kidnap her, naturally… I don’t want to say too much more because it might spoil the plot for everyone, but it’s all there!. :P
(Tongue-in-cheek aside, I would like to read your 24 stuff! Hook me up? Am @ItsMsM on Twitter.)
Lady J
June 7, 2014 at 3:08 amSo I decide to catch up with you in the new thread since it seemed pointless to continue on the old one and this was available. Then I got a reality check; good grief there are over 250+ to “thread” (pun intended) my way through. Geez Louise I can only imagine what the Lurkers, which I too was at lone time, are doing in trying to keep up with this and say something.
When I came across your complete character analysis of Renee and all of the other women in Jack’s life I wanted to stand up and cheer because you nailed it Mary! I am glad to say it was brilliant! So “scuse” me while I take this can of concentrate and add 3 cans of water to it and try to do some more proofing on the last chapter as it needs some serious re-working. Geez there is a lot of good stuff here from you and several others to consider; and yes put me in the it would be great if all of the “Tony” folk would get our request to bring him back.
In between proofing and pondering I’ll check in to see how things are going here especially since the weekend is upon us and I am sure there are more who will join in. Besides even if the calendar doesn’t say it yet we are into the hot days of summer here in Texas so staying out of the sun is a good idea/excuse.
Mary
June 8, 2014 at 3:28 pmlol no olive branch needed over (in some eyes) Daddy Dearest. Everyone has their own opinions. He does have a beltway bent, I’m in total agreement. I just don’t think he’s evil or controlling and would bet the farm (if I had one) on him actually being the ultimate good guy on Day 9.
Good luck on your writing! Enjoy the Texas heat. :)
Pat
June 9, 2014 at 11:10 amPlus he could be in jail or he could have got a pardon, I mean Logan got one and did far worse, as did many other bad guys. Or he could have escaped, he did have a plan for everything, so who’s to say he didn’t have a few guys waiting to spring him when he was moved. Renee went nuts, Jack was just about dead and everyone else that knew him directly was dead, besides Chloe who was no longer with anyone officially. So no one would have known.
But yeah, I’m only 25% sure he will be back now, I think it is like a season 6 thing, they had an idea for him to show up right at the end, but it didn’t work. The rumors got out there and now people think he is coming back.
Be nice, but doubting it. Aaron should have been used too.
itsbighead
June 6, 2014 at 6:56 amOlivia
June 6, 2014 at 1:56 pmKiki Vanderway
June 7, 2014 at 2:31 pmOlivia
June 7, 2014 at 3:25 pmAs for him returning, I’d love to see him back, though it would have to be written very well for it to work, contrary to day 7 where everything with Tony didn’t seem to fit perfectly, in my opinion. I doubt he’ll come back in this season, there’s only 6 episodes left but if they did do more, his return would certainly satisfy a lot of fans and bring a new storyline into play so it’s possible. I also think if he returned, he’d have to stay for more than one season for it to work well.
Pat
June 9, 2014 at 10:58 amMary
June 8, 2014 at 3:40 pmOn Day 4, we learned that Heller has a heart condition. He had a heart attack sometime prior to us meeting him and when he and Audrey are held hostage, Audrey starts talking about his heart pills to their captors. It’s something they don’t really mention again after early Day 4 but it wouldn’t just disappear completely– Heller would have to take regular medication to ensure his heart functioned properly.
Cut to Day 9, when we keep seeing Heller taking pills but we’ve also been told he has rapidly progressing, early onset Alzheimer’s disease. We immediately think he’s taking medication to try to combat the Alzheimer’s. (Medication that seems to be consistently failing, should that be the case, as he’s still frequently exhibiting symptoms.) But say he’s not– say these are Heller’s heart pills that he believes he’s taking. But say someone switched those pills with placebos. Now, Heller’s heart condition is being left untreated and the symptoms of advancing heart disease are… temporary memory loss, switching around of nouns, repeating yourself, disorientation, fatigue… basically the same symptoms of early onset Alzheimer’s. If you were Heller, you’d believe that you were developing Alzheimer’s because while this is also what would happen to you if you stopped taking your heart meds, you take your heart meds every day. Only, you don’t realize that someone’s been switching them on you.
Enter: Jack Bauer. He worked with you when you were taking heart medication. He knew about it because you don’t bother to hide taking pills in front of him on Day 9. Only, he’s left scratching his head when you take your pills, then reveal in conversation that you don’t remember details about what the two of you were talking about mere minutes ago. If your heart pills were working, as Jack would know intimately, you’d be sharper than you are.
Was the reason why Jack had to see Heller take his pills was so that he’d start to put together that someone is trying to slowly kill the President?
XAM
June 8, 2014 at 3:58 pmI mean that as a compliment by the way.
Mary
June 8, 2014 at 4:08 pmKiki Vanderway
June 8, 2014 at 8:35 pmAlso unrelated and I am sorry if this has appeared in earlier threads before but right before Kate was called up to work with Jack she is reviewing video on her computer watching someone in a suit hand something to Ritter– what was that about?
24 Spoilers
June 8, 2014 at 9:22 pmI don’t think it was meant to hint at anything, it was just a way to show the audience why Erik was absent from this episode.
Mary
June 9, 2014 at 5:45 pmBut yeah also like you’re saying 24Spoilers, they’re probably paying the actor for x number of episodes or something so they had to get him in there somewhere or something.
Olivia
June 8, 2014 at 4:33 pm