Tonight’s episode of 24: Live Another Day was an absolutely huge one credited to four writers – the story was by Evan Katz and Manny Coto with teleplay by Tony Basgallop and Sang Kyu Kim. It was directed by Milan Cheylov.
President Heller was revealed to be alive, Chloe showed off her genius hacking skills, Kate and Erik got into crazy shootouts, Belcheck was a one man Secret Service, Jack Bauer landed a helicopter on a roof and rappeled down a building Splinter Cell-style, the drones were destroyed with no casualties, and then Jack threw both Ian and Margot Al-Harazi out of a window to their bloody deaths! And that was only the first half hour. Wow!
Bonus Poll – Heller Twist
Obviously the biggest surprise reveal this episode was that Heller is actually alive. So we’re doing an extra poll this week to see what you folks thought of this twist in particular. Was it explained to your satisfaction? Love it, hate it, or do you have mixed feelings?
407 Comments
Comments ClosedKiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 9:58 pmJack
June 23, 2014 at 9:59 pmThis episode was quite good – I think last weeks was better and I voted to wait & see about Heller still being alive. Surprised they killed Jordan Reed off & the part where Bauer threw Margot out the window was awesome… but my live stream cut off just before that and didn’t see what they talked about really.
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:05 pmAgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 10:37 pmPaula
June 24, 2014 at 6:55 pmMeridith Bloom
June 28, 2014 at 12:50 amDK Fynn
June 23, 2014 at 11:24 pmHe subdues her and talks to Chloe, who tells Jack that the missile has already fired. She tells him that he can still try to control it.
In desperation, Jack just takes the joystick and sees that it’s responsive, and directs the missile into a body of water (away from Waterloo Station).
Margot then says something to the effect of “How many deaths are on the heads of you and Heller today?”
To which Jack replies, “The only death on my head today is yours.”
And…you know the rest: she now rests beside her son.
TJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:22 amMj
June 25, 2014 at 12:20 pmGurtej
June 23, 2014 at 10:00 pmJoe
June 23, 2014 at 10:37 pmPhee
June 24, 2014 at 7:23 amThis is what I’m thinking too. He believes he has her under his thumb. He believes he’s more intelligent than her. He believes that in the end, she’ll always come back to his side. But he’s underestimating her. He thinks he has an unbreakable hold over her, and really why wouldn’t he considering she did come crawling back to him after several hours spent working with Jack.
Compare her relationships with both men though. She said to Jack that it was great to see him, that it was “like old times” and she hopes he gets to see his family again soon (sidenote: totally feels like foreshadowing that he’ll end the day in LA, reunited with Kim and Teri Jr). If you wanna talk about unbreakable bonds, Jack and Chloe is it. Years spent apart, both have changed somewhat, they don’t necessarily have identically matching ideals these days, but they still fell perfectly back in step with each other. They’ve been through much together, know each other very well, genuinely care for each other, and trust each other with their lives.
Chloe has also trusted Adrian. She thought she knew him. She thought he genuinely cared for her. She’s about to find out that her mentor in the “expose all the secrets” game has been keeping a whopper of a secret from her. Untrustworthy hypocrite much.
She’s been in a similar situation before, trusting someone she thought was a friend, working closely with them in a group that was operating outside the law so they could help the greater good, and it ended up that she was used and betrayed. She never got to confront Tony about that, so it’d be nice to see her emotions about that situation resonating with the Adrian situation when she learns the truth, and this time she’s gonna put the guy in his place, dammit.
Believing that she won’t stand for Adrian’s crap once she discovers the truth does make me fear somewhat for her safety. Though if they even have half an inkling of maybe perhaps wanting to do a Day 10, I reckon Chloe’s survival chances greatly increase.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 12:23 pmJack will be Chloe’s downfall in the end, I’m thinking.
sprite
June 24, 2014 at 12:42 pmAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 2:44 amKiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:01 pmJack
June 23, 2014 at 10:03 pmM
June 23, 2014 at 10:01 pmKiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:02 pmMj
June 23, 2014 at 10:04 pmMargot Al-Harazi’s death was inevitable, but it was great. I just wish it was a bit more confrontational. When Jack threw her out of the window, I was stunned. Honestly! An epic way to go for such a great villain.
Steve Navarro will bite the dust soon. He cannot remain alive long enough. However, I am curious to know if Adrian Cross will be the next villain after the Al-Harazis. It will be interesting to see what he will do once he has that override device in his hands.
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:07 pmNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 10:14 pmKiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:17 pmChloe
June 23, 2014 at 10:26 pmIf not, I feel like it would be more likely that Cross would be a middleman for the Russians since they have played a part in this season.
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:32 pmNew West Virginian
June 26, 2014 at 11:19 amMatt
June 23, 2014 at 10:08 pmTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:28 amOverall, the best episode of the season – and thankfully the past 2-3 have really amped up the action. I just hope Adrian doesn’t end up being the secret mastermind of everything at the end.
Chlojack
June 24, 2014 at 12:37 pmTJ
June 26, 2014 at 2:25 amChlojack
June 23, 2014 at 10:06 pmsrb
June 25, 2014 at 2:47 pmPhee
June 26, 2014 at 12:47 amNewspaper article about his “suicide”: http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Washington_Daily_Courier
Bob
June 23, 2014 at 10:08 pmTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:35 amThe more likely link to Cross is the Russian connection IMO.
Daniel Shaw
June 24, 2014 at 2:43 amJAlexHogan
June 23, 2014 at 10:11 pmOh, and Heller’s alive. I tried to give the writers the benefit of the doubt, but it wasn’t clicking for me. Makes me feel bad for all those reviewers who had such praise for the show after Episode 8.
AgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 10:39 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 9:56 amLAD Fan
June 24, 2014 at 11:25 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 11:29 amLAD Fan
June 24, 2014 at 12:25 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:29 pmAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 2:55 pmOf course, it is much more likely that she really was just calling to thank Jack (and maybe because she wanted an excuse to talk to him).
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 8:46 pmI think it could go either way at this point. I think Jack has his own (non-evil of course) personal agenda here so it could just as easily be that Audrey is who she seems to be and the one who isn’t is Jack. Either direction is a strong plot so I’m just excited to see what they’ll end up doing, especially when Audrey has a little more to do in these next episodes.
And that is my measured opinion. :)
LAD Fan
June 24, 2014 at 11:27 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 11:30 amTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:33 amS1: Gaines, then Drazen
S2: Sayed Ali, then Kingsley
S3: Salazar brothers, then Saunders
S5: Bierko, then Henderson (even though Logan was in the background the whole time)
S6: Fayed, then Gredenko and Philip Bauer
S7: Dubaku, then Juma, then Hodges
S8: Samir, then Bazaev, then the Russians
JAlexHogan
June 24, 2014 at 8:51 amMy reactions to this episode are more to do with how quickly this threat we’ve been watching unfold was so quickly (& conveniently) tied up. This Navarro/Cross plot may be good, but it hasn’t had a chance to build up & the players involved aren’t that compelling thus far. And I don’t know how/if it can be the amazing end to a season we’re all hoping for with so little time left.
Derek
June 24, 2014 at 7:27 pmS7: Dubaku/Juma, then Hodges, then Alan Wilson.
S8: Bazhaev, then Samir, then Novakovich and Presidents Taylor and Logan.
I agree with your assessment, though.
Chloe
June 23, 2014 at 10:12 pmThoughts:
-The whole finding Margot scenes were fantastic, and Jack throwing her and her son out the window was f***ing awesome.
-I actually thought that Heller was really dead, but I thought the twist worked well.
-Navarro will not live past the next episode.
-I’m worried about Chloe :(
-How the HELL does Jack have Audrey in his phone contacts?! And what did he say to her before he hung up (I couldn’t hear)
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:16 pmsprite
June 23, 2014 at 11:33 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 9:59 amKiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:14 pm24marathonman
June 23, 2014 at 10:16 pmtheraserb
June 24, 2014 at 1:38 amTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:39 amXAM
June 28, 2014 at 8:49 amMeridith Bloom
June 28, 2014 at 1:09 amNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 10:16 pmAnd if the override device is that powerful, I wonder why Margot didn’t go for a more deadly attack, maybe she didn’t have THAT necessary technology but the Chinese, Russians, or whoever Navarro and Adrian are working with do have the technology to use the device to its full potential.
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:22 pmAgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 10:43 pmPhee
June 24, 2014 at 7:42 amChlojack
June 23, 2014 at 10:17 pmJack
June 23, 2014 at 10:41 pmHeller: Gimme your phone – I’ll call the secret service.. have them pick me up
Belcheck: Jack said no phones
Heller: I am the President of United States of America and I just gave you an order
Belcheck: I am not American citizen.. this is not America
then:
Heller: So what’s your name?
Belcheck: Belcheck
Heller: Belacheck what?
Belcheck: Belcheck – just one word.. like Madonna
Phee
June 24, 2014 at 7:43 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:01 amKiki Vanderway
June 27, 2014 at 11:53 amBelchek…one word, like Madonna
is crying out for its own Tee Shirt
Bleepbloop24
June 23, 2014 at 10:20 pmWell…I apologize for my posts saying it couldn’t be more obvious heller was dead. It seems I was wrong. And I really wish I wasn’t.
I hate that he’s alive. Hate it. It’s such a cop out and a cheap trick from the writers to have a twist just for twists sake. Maybe I wouldn’t have minded it so much if it didn’t completely ruin episode 8 in hindsight.
Essentially episode 8 was completely pointless now. All the dramatic scenes and emotional moments are now rendered pointless. And the whole episode was essentially jack leading the president to Wembley (pointless) and Jordan running from assassin only to die by him again (pointless)
Episode 8 went from being perhaps my favorite episode of the season to one that you can now skip over watching and not miss anything.
Someone tell me I’m wrong and help me to see the upside in this. I’m just really upset. One of the greatest moments in 24 was just undone in 2 minutes of over the top, absurd techie babble.
That being said I loved everything else about this episode. So sad margot’s gone she was amazing and I got chills when she screamed for Ian and died. Not sure how I feel about the Adrian and Navarro stuff yet
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:29 pmI do agree about Jordon. Actually none of it makes.sense. if Navarro was his handler why did he call Adrian looking for a cleaner– he already had one. Why the cat and mouse? Why in a room full of spies and cops did no one find Jordon’s phone and figure out Navarro was in the loop the whole time?
Bleepbloop24
June 23, 2014 at 10:56 pmYou make a good point about something needing to happen by the deadline. So how about letting heller die and having Chloe find the video feed AFTER? That would’ve been way more realistic and interesting than what they pulled here.
I just feel very cheated and have a feeling in my stomach I haven’t gotten since the season 6-brother and papa bauer-twist reveal
I know I sound negative and I wish I wasn’t. But I’ve been loving this season so far and especially last episode. I don’t get why the writers need to do stuff like this every season simply for shock value.
sprite
June 23, 2014 at 11:37 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:03 amsprite
June 24, 2014 at 12:46 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:35 pmsprite
June 25, 2014 at 2:06 amMary
June 26, 2014 at 8:59 pmI’m just really glad that Tony and/or Kim are nowhere in this plot right now just because it’s hard to kill off characters who only show up in the finale. :) Those two are Jack’s happy ending, IMO.
Phee
June 27, 2014 at 9:07 amI would love to see the bromance restored. Jack and Tony working together gives me warm fuzzies like nothing else. But I dunno how convinced I’d be if they brought Tony back for one or two episodes and Jack was just cool with him from the getgo. Once someone handcuffs you to a fence while they strap a bomb onto you, that’s gonna leave a significant dent in the relationship, (granted, given the situation, burning up Jack’s diseased body was a great way to prevent anyone from reconstituting the toxin, but I’m just sayin’). I don’t think their situation is clear cut and unable to be salvaged though. Their similarities and differences make their relationship layered and complicated.
If Tony shows up in Day 9, I’d like for there to be some aversion to him on Jack’s part, because the trust they had was so spectacularly broken. Tony’s now had five and a half years to either let his anger fester some more, or realise the error of his ways and long for a shot at redemption. He did some bad shit on Day 7, including believing that the loss of innocent lives was an acceptable byproduct of his all consuming lust for revenge. Perfect way to prove oneself as having learned to no longer be so selfish is for said person to do something selfLESS, and being willing to sacrifice your life for the good of others is the biggest sacrifice one can make.
My preference for their friendship would be a situation where we end up with Jack and Tony chillin’ outside a shack on a small secluded beach, fishing rods stuck in the sand, (handguns at the ready just in case the fish get feisty), sitting in deckchairs, bottle and Cubs mug full of beer. But the reality may be something like Jack not believing they can trust Tony to do whatever, and then there being a suicide mission type situation, and Tony’s up for it, and Jack realises that his old buddy’s come good, and they make their peace right before Tony goes and dies with a big hero moment. Which would make me weep, (because I’d love Tony to still be in the mix on the off chance there’s more 24 in the future), but at least I could take solace in the knowledge that he was finally with Michelle again, (which would probably make me weep some more).
AgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 2:57 pmEdd
June 24, 2014 at 10:39 amTate
June 24, 2014 at 5:28 pm24Phandroid
June 23, 2014 at 10:30 pmAs for the Cross & Navarro stuff, I’m not feeling it yet. It feels like a major plot line introduced too late in the game.
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 10:34 pm24Phandroid
June 23, 2014 at 10:39 pmTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:41 amNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:12 pmSteve Navarro
June 24, 2014 at 7:22 am24Phandroid
June 23, 2014 at 10:31 pmAs for the Cross & Navarro stuff, I’m not feeling it yet. It feels like a major plot line introduced too late in the game.
New West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 10:23 pmAnd didn’t the resignation take effect at 7 PM regardless of Heller being dead or alive? If the Vice President is devious he could take advantage of this fact to usurp Heller’s office.
AgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 10:47 pmtheraserb
June 24, 2014 at 1:44 am24Nathan
June 23, 2014 at 10:24 pmThe biggest shock of the hour was Jack throwing Margot out the window, honestly. Did not see that coming! There’s that “darker Jack” everyone’s been talking about in interviews.
Thought Cross wanting the override reeked of Cheng in Day 6, and I want him (Cheng) to come back as much as I want to be tortured to death. Cross is a very boring character to me as well, I’d rather have Navarro be more involved in the rest of the season than Cross…eh.
I hope to be blown away by these last three hours, and these stories really go well.
Chloe
June 23, 2014 at 10:29 pmGerry Mander
June 23, 2014 at 10:40 pmThe season’s not over yet, let it play out and then cast the stones…
sprite
June 23, 2014 at 11:39 pmGerry Mander
June 24, 2014 at 3:04 amBut upon further reflection since I wrote my above post, I can see why the writers didn’t pull the trigger (so to speak) and off Heller; they needed an against-the-clock, edge-of-the-seat climax to end the Margot storyline in ’24’ tradition, just having her dump the drones in the English Channel and get hauled off in handcuffs wouldn’t be terribly exciting, plus even though Heller had every intention of sacrificing himself (and thus his emotional scenes in the previous episode were genuine), we all know Jack just wouldn’t take the murder of the President lying down and would do EVERYTHING in his power to prevent that… and so he did, and thus it does ultimately make sense in that respect and is true to the character of both show and it’s protagonist.
Then again, I have to remind myself sometimes that this is just a television show and to just relax and enjoy it for what it is :-D…
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 10:04 amsprite
June 24, 2014 at 12:51 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:39 pmsprite
June 25, 2014 at 2:08 amAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 2:59 pmSteve
June 23, 2014 at 11:16 pmNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 10:29 pm24Nathan
June 23, 2014 at 10:52 pmAnd don’t tell me Max died in The Game.
XAM
June 24, 2014 at 12:15 am24fan24
June 23, 2014 at 10:32 pmClayton
June 23, 2014 at 10:33 pmAlso disappointed with the Heller is alive story. I was really hoping Belcheck would kidnap him or something, but it was pretty black and white. Heller’s sacrifice might as well never have happened.
Fearless
June 24, 2014 at 12:46 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:06 amThe entire Heller arc was a wasted opportunity for something with real impact. A better story would have been for Heller to really be dead and then for these characters to have to deal with the repercussions of that.
24Nathan
June 23, 2014 at 10:33 pmHeller’s resignation? This could be something used later by a possibly anti Jack VP to execute the extradition order and hand Jack over to Russia, due to the fact that Heller can’t stop it now. I don’t know logistics and legal talk, but if he isn’t Prez anymore, would it still even be valid? Or maybe since he is resigned, that is what will render it null. Who knows?
Who is the VP? Will he even be in this season?
Audrey still giving Mark the cold shoulder is ridiculous. Her and Jack shouldn’t be together, not after this season. Her whole thing of “you wouldn’t have ever let the President sacrifice himself” is complete BS because he would have and was going to if Chloe didn’t manage to dupe Margot. Now Mark gets to handle all of the drama, and Jack and Audrey ride off into the sunset…not right, and also a copout I feel. Heller, Mark and Jack were right to do what they did. Mark would’ve saved Heller if he could, he didn’t make him walk the plank just to push him off at the end. This makes me so mad.
Cheng better not come back. I am so done with the stupid Chinese story line.
Brenda Holtz
June 23, 2014 at 11:06 pmAgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 11:37 pmAgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 11:15 pmRe. Audrey giving Mark the cold shoulder, she was understandably upset when she thought her father was dead and that he had helped. Give her time to grieve! It didn’t seem like she was necessarily giving him the cold shoulder after Heller came back. I predict that next week we will see her make peace with Mark and maybe even apologize to him, and then she will find out about the rendition order.
Kiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 11:36 pmMark and Audrey are not gonna survive as a couple. Mark is overbearing as her protector and she is chaffing under his thumb. It seems like a situation where he is far more.invested than her and- he sees her as weak and dependent and she doesn’t see herself that way so.its a mismatch. He may even need her to be weak.so he feels.strong, but she wants to be an equal.partner and that won’t work for.him. The relationship is doomed.
Mark is not evil but misguided — if he was pure evil we would not understand Heller’s decision to make him Chief of Staff or her decision to marry him so he can’t be all bad but he also has to cross the line in such a way that he is not salvageable — the forged order.does that. I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He knew what he was doing and what would happen if he got caught.
Audrey never gave up on Jack and obviously he has been a presence in the relationship with Mark.from the start. Audrey has been speaking up for Jack or she wouldn’t have told him she should have tried harder to clear his name. She has been thinking of him all along. He is a larger than life figure for her and the fact that he feels.so.attached to her creates an emotional.pull whenever they get a chance to.see one another which is not often so.it makes.it all the more intense.
This is playing out true to.these characters -Audrey does have strong emotional reactions and she is responding exactly as she has been in other seasons. I agree the men in her life would have made these same choices and would feel they were right to have done so but that doesnt mean Audrey has to agree with it. She is passionate and that comes with good and bad points. When Mark said to Jack, “Audrey will never forgive me for.this.” I really wanted Jack to.say to.him, “Been there and done that. Welcome to the club.” The phone call was just like S5 when she calls him before he goes to see Logan. It’s stilted and artificial.to create these moments in this format but I think what the writers are trying to create are moments for her to try and connect and express what she is feeling and show how Jack is caught between those feelings and doing what he has to do.and what he has to do comes first. This is the prototypical conflict for these characters and why it’s a Greek tragedy of a situation.
And I am.not sure they ride off to.the sunset together. “It’s Complicated” is the motto of their relationship and what I think you may end up with is a glimmer of a possibility that maybe in the future they may have a future.
sprite
June 23, 2014 at 11:46 pmNew West Virginian
June 24, 2014 at 2:37 amsprite
June 23, 2014 at 11:44 pmKiki Vanderway
June 23, 2014 at 11:51 pmBauer's Bro
June 23, 2014 at 10:36 pmTiny
June 24, 2014 at 11:30 amWhat an episode!
M
June 23, 2014 at 10:48 pm24Nathan
June 23, 2014 at 10:53 pmAnd don’t tell me Max died in The Game.
Jack Bauer
June 23, 2014 at 10:52 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:08 amChris
June 24, 2014 at 4:26 pmj713901
June 23, 2014 at 10:53 pmTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:44 amGerry Mander
June 24, 2014 at 9:32 pmBrenda Holtz
June 23, 2014 at 10:57 pmJAlexHogan
June 23, 2014 at 10:58 pmWill
June 23, 2014 at 11:10 pmBleepbloop24
June 23, 2014 at 11:17 pmURGH! I just hate this so much! Why!? What is the possible reason. I’m so frustrated
JAlexHogan
June 23, 2014 at 11:26 pmI’m still confused on how Jack intercepted the intel on Yates in the first place.
XAM
June 24, 2014 at 12:27 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:41 pmGerry Mander
June 24, 2014 at 9:41 pmTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:47 amJAlexHogan
June 24, 2014 at 9:02 amtheraserb
June 24, 2014 at 1:56 amWill
June 24, 2014 at 10:33 amPhee
June 24, 2014 at 7:51 amSure, if he actually had a comprehensive knowledge of drone operation, but all he really knows is what he gleaned from briefly watching Naveed, so he had no idea he could steer the missile after firing it.
Will
June 23, 2014 at 11:03 pmNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:18 pmPhee
June 24, 2014 at 8:16 am24 Spoilers
June 23, 2014 at 11:20 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 11:26 amNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:09 pmI also don’t think Mark’s games are entirely over. There was that look on his face when Audrey thanked Jack for saving Heller. He could tell Audrey still loves Jack. I don’t know what will come of the rendition order. With Heller alive, Mark is NOT off the hook anymore cause while the pardon came after the forged signature, indicating Heller didn’t want to turn Jack over to Russia, the Russians can still demand to speak to the President about it.
Hmm
June 24, 2014 at 1:10 amOlivia
June 25, 2014 at 12:56 pmTJ
June 26, 2014 at 2:32 amMary
June 26, 2014 at 9:41 pmBleepbloop24
June 23, 2014 at 11:12 pmI hope I’m wrong but its such a shame because this season has been so tight and exciting. Everyone loved episode 8 because it had purpose and dramatic importance. THATS what the writers don’t get. We don’t need constant twists and action to be entertained, we just need engaging writing. And right now with all this heller being alive, video game-like mission of disabling the electicity and guidint the missile (on what looks lile a gaming controller no less) and the cross/Navarro-end of the world device stuff…it just feels like its headed in a terrible direction.
I’m really bummed :(
M
June 23, 2014 at 11:13 pmRat
June 24, 2014 at 1:22 amBut seriously, the plotholes bug me so much. Jack is able to steer the missile, yet they couldn’t steer it while gunning for Jack’s car? Plus Episode 8 just got pointless. There was this huge emotional buildup and an epic score for basically a filler episode.
At least the writers had the decency to let Margot figure out Heller’s death was faked immediately. Would’ve beeb painful if that would have dragged on.
Also, seriously, nobody is looking after the override design? Security cam? Guards? I doubt the CIA would be that sloppy. And why the heck did Navarro call Cross for a hitman when he himself was already the handler of the hitman? Makes no sense whatsoever.
And Jack doesn’t inform anyone but just races after Navarro? Ugh.
Bad episode. Sloppy writing. Rest of the season was amazing and I hope those next 3 episodes will be great, too.
But today’s episode had problems, and people thinking that aren’t automatically trolls.
Rat
June 24, 2014 at 1:35 amI kinda hoped Margot’s last attack would cause death, so Jack and Heller would feel guilty. But no, everybody is save and happy, disarmed the bomb in the last second. That’s boring. That’s not why I watch 24. 24 is about sacrifice. It’s about winning always comes at a cost. It’s about bad guys sometimes succeeding.
The whole Margot plot got resolved pretty effortlessly, at least for 24 standards. And what do we get now? The last 3h hastily building up a new threat? It could work and I hope the writers will succeed! But my excitement is a bit stifled now.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 10:19 amNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:14 pmLiked the action between Jack and Navarro and how he slipped away kind of like Marwan.
John
June 23, 2014 at 11:21 pm24 Spoilers
June 23, 2014 at 11:23 pmsprite
June 23, 2014 at 11:29 pmAgentRez
June 23, 2014 at 11:35 pmBefore the season aired I had attempting to write this fanfiction where it was revealed during the day that Jack had contacted Audrey a few days prior to Live Another Day to warn her about the threat to her father. I didn’t finish it because it seemed clear that I was wrong, but now I am wondering if there is something I can do with that.
Most likely, the writers just don’t think these things through that much, and they wanted Jack to see that it was Audrey calling because she’s one of the few people he would have left the room to take a call from. But I am feeling like they could go somewhere with it, given how mysterious Audrey’s back story is right now.
New West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:45 pmAs you know I started writing my Season 10 after just seeing 3 episodes of Live Another Day and called it a possible future AU where it diverges halfway in LAD. But now that Heller is alive, my story may not necessarily have to be AU after all. I did expect Chris Tanner to be a more important character given the actor that plays him is going to be in the new Star Wars movies if I had known Tanner’s story would end that early I would have brought Belcheck into my story instead of Tanner. But that was a good catch!!
New West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:50 pmAlso its amazing how after all this time on the run, Jack can just call on old friends to do favors for him like that guy in Langley. He did the same with the NSA guy in Season 8.
New West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:53 pmPart of me really wanted Jack to keep talking to Audrey but knew he would always put his sense of duty first. Even though if Jack ignored the call back from Langley and Navarro just got away and the threat continues I don’t know how Audrey would feel about that.
AgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 12:37 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:11 amI think she probably just got Jack’s number from someone else who had to contact him earlier in the day. He’s been phoning up the White House people and the CIA all day from the same number. I wouldn’t think it that hard for Audrey to get the number and put it in her cell.
Trevor
June 23, 2014 at 11:43 pmThank God throwing Margot out the window wasn’t spoiled. That was incredible.
New West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:47 pmAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 12:37 amNew West Virginian
June 24, 2014 at 2:43 amAs for what this does to Episode 8, I remember back in Season 2 we had Jack in the helicopter flying the bomb into the desert basically saying goodbye to Kim as if he was going to die and remember that was in an early season when 24 wasn’t just about Jack. Then George Mason turns out to be on board the plane and Jack gets to live.
AgentRez
June 25, 2014 at 12:09 amMary
June 25, 2014 at 12:50 amNew West Virginian
June 23, 2014 at 11:47 pmthe drone that Ian redirected to London was a fully armed one, so why did it only fire ONE missile at Waterloo station instead of blanketing the entire area with 6 missiles? I know the point is for Jack to stop the attack but I felt that was a writing mistake.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 10:12 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:13 amM
June 24, 2014 at 12:14 am24Phandroid
June 24, 2014 at 12:27 amM
June 24, 2014 at 12:31 amAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 12:42 amSince the beginning of the show, the writers have been annoyingly selective about how well known Jack is. They often have him as a notorious hero and/or outlaw, yet he is able to go on undercover missions and nobody ever recognizes him.
Your theory about him wanting to silence her is plausible, but I think it’s pretty unlikely. We have seen Jack do that before – with the Drazens, Henderson, Nina, and of course the people he killed at the end of season 8. And we have seen this season that he is more pissed off and fed up with these terrorists than ever. Plus, Jack didn’t have Margot fully secured. If he hadn’t killed her it’s possible she could have made a move on him. Not saying I agree with him chucking her out the window, but I don’t think it smacks of a hidden agenda. That said, something in episode 11 made Kim Raver gasp out loud…that would be one hell of a twist.
New West Virginian
June 24, 2014 at 2:50 amMary
June 25, 2014 at 12:52 amNew West Virginian
June 24, 2014 at 2:51 amBrad
June 24, 2014 at 7:13 amBrad
June 24, 2014 at 7:14 am24Phandroid
June 24, 2014 at 9:24 amMaybe if Margot had unleashed the entire missile payload every time or hadn’t given Heller a 3 hr window or had never intended to dump the drones in the Channel, I’d be less conflicted about the way in which she was killed. Or if Jack & Margot’s showdown had been more confrontational, or if the drone threat hadn’t already been successfully shut down. But her hands are tied behind her back when he throws her out the window, so it seemed unnecessary & somewhat sinister on Jack’s part.
AgentRez
June 26, 2014 at 4:46 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 8:46 am24Phandroid
June 24, 2014 at 12:49 amNew West Virginian
June 24, 2014 at 2:45 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:35 amlyon
June 24, 2014 at 12:47 amHmm
June 24, 2014 at 1:18 amTran
June 24, 2014 at 1:15 amTran
June 24, 2014 at 1:18 amTJ
June 24, 2014 at 1:52 amuncle carol
June 24, 2014 at 1:48 amI’m still under the theory that Jack is really a villain. Margot ruined his plans so he killed her out of frustration.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 10:45 amGod
June 24, 2014 at 3:57 am24fan
June 24, 2014 at 5:49 amCheng is back…
New West Virginian
June 24, 2014 at 5:54 amhadi
June 24, 2014 at 6:11 amThose who say that jack is a villain, I don’t understand you guys…. or you don’t understand the ’24 show’. if you are a 24fan, you should know by now that jack has a good heart, wants to kill bad people, wants to protect the citizens, and never executes an evil thing against good guys.
I also don’t like Cross, and his character was badly written. his characteristic is just strange and simple. I think he just wants the device to have an opertunity to leave the country safe, or sell it and have lots of money.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 10:42 amHmm
June 24, 2014 at 1:06 pmBrad
June 24, 2014 at 1:10 pmSteve Navarro
June 24, 2014 at 6:56 amKyle
June 24, 2014 at 8:25 amAnyway, loving this season, can’t wait to see how it all wraps up. Margot getting thrown out the window was an all-time 24 moment and was genuinely surprising.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 10:34 amAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 3:02 pmYou make a good point about filming off-site. I am thinking that if Tony is in it, they must have filmed whatever scenes he is in in the US and greenscreened it or whatever, because there is no way someone wouldn’t notice Carlos Bernard being in London.
Phee
June 26, 2014 at 1:02 amMary
June 26, 2014 at 5:23 pmPhee
June 27, 2014 at 9:26 amKM
June 24, 2014 at 8:37 amKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 8:49 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:33 amKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 11:24 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 11:38 amTeks
June 24, 2014 at 9:36 amAnd the fact that Heller is alive, does not make episode 8 pointless. They thought Heller was going to die, until the last minute.
Anyway, loved the episode, and i have a question, has Adrian’s hair changed since the first couple of episodes?
JP
June 24, 2014 at 9:38 amEpisode 9 was totally OF THE CHAIN!!! WOW! BUt I knew Heller was alive…and picked that Chloe would ave figured out how to manipulate the other 2 controls just in time and do the ole time lapse record decoy trick!
My Spidey senses tell me that the override devise will be used to target a Russian Base or city of some sort. whoever Adrian is working for has some unfinished business…and only Jack can stop it. It would be the only conceivable action to make the Russians forgive Jack
and end their pursuit to put him on trial..thus giving Jack a happy ending..maybe back as Director of CTU LA, bringing the whole series full circle to where we first met Agent Jack Bauer!
Matt
June 24, 2014 at 10:11 amI suppose it’s possible that he was right and the Chinese negotiated for his release – but even so, as someone already mentioned, the Chinese would have no use for Jack as Cheng himself admitted that he (Jack) didn’t utter a word after two years of torture. And personally I didn’t really care for him as a villain. He struck me as more of a weasel than anything else. I’d be more excited to see a Logan appearance (if he survived he did have connections with the Russians) or a Mandy return.
Phee
June 24, 2014 at 10:32 amOver in the discussion for the ep 10 promo, someone suggested that perhaps the Chinese want the device to trick the US into firing on the Chinese so that then the Chinese have an excuse to start a war. Now I’m thinking…what if that is the case, and the people orchestrating it all are doing it so they can say, “We’re gonna bomb the crap out of America…unless you release Cheng.”
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 11:36 amNew West Virginian
June 25, 2014 at 11:56 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 10:31 amAdrian Cross kicked Yates out of Open Cell for auctioning off the classified data they stole and for hacking into military weapons systems. Yates then (somehow) comes into contact with Margot, who hires him to create the Dobson-CIPFirewall-Mashup Override Device. Only Margot apparently doesn’t know that it does anything else except hijack drones and her two computer savvy sons never notice this either. They could take over the entire U.S. defense system but either they are just SO into irony that they only really care about the drones for killing Heller or they have no idea that the device does more than hack the drone system.
Adrian, meanwhile, is aware of the device’s existence the entire time and knows what it does. He has known this the entire time but at no point, up until now, has he made a move to try to get his hands on the device. He could have had Yates build it for him. He could have stolen it from Yates. He could have *not* helped Jack retrieve it all day because that’s what Adrian did. One moment after another of Adrian helping Jack get closer to the device.
In the premiere, Adrian gives Jack Basher’s location in order to help find Yates and tells Jack to thank him by never come back. A few hours later, it’s Adrian who identifies the override code and saves Tanner, on top of proving the existence of the override device to others in the first place. Just in the last episode, it was Adrian who found Margot’s location… and led Jack and the CIA straight to the device before getting Navarro to retrieve it for him. I guess I’m wondering why a guy who was basically in possession of this thing at the start, who appears to have kicked out a member of his team for violating the group’s directive by doing things that led to the override’s creation, suddenly wants something now that he could have had earlier with no problem.
Kiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 11:44 amHe is using these idealists to grab bits and pieces of code. In true 24 fashion he does a double play by kicking Yates out but orchestrating the intersection of Yates and Margo at some point– Margo thinks either that Yates is double crossing Adrian or maybe even working for Rask which would explain the Rask/Yates/Bauer play.
Adrian has set it up at least as far as Yates is concerned because Yates thinks he is being clever and thumbing his nose at Open Cell– Adrian is a puppet master pulling the strings– and to be fair he may not have known how far Yates could have gone with his device– he may have wanted plausible deniability of the device didn’t work.
Adrian probably expected Bauer to be mowed down by Basher or perhaps knew Yates would get away– or maybe he though Margo and Yates would have arranged to meet even before Jack got his location– either way I think it was a diversionary tactic and did not go as planned in some respects because Yates loses control of the device– Simone killed Yates maybe Adrian was not expecting that (a la Tony in Season 7, Episode 3 — “The point,” says Bill, “is Tony was supposed to be near the device at all times”).
When Navarro calls, Adrian sees the perfect opportunity to get the device back– I think by happenstance not by having a crazy unnecessarily complicated plan play out.
Mary
June 24, 2014 at 12:17 pmThe first is that Cross didn’t find a way to the device when Navarro called him looking for an escape. They make a point to have Cross say he was just calling Navarro at the same time. Cross knew the device was on its way to the CIA and was already planning on getting Navarro to steal it for him. Navarro being desperate to do anything to get out of the country just made his task easier.
The other thing is Adrian, the puppet master. I’m not so sure that Adrian doesn’t really believe in the ideals of his own organization rather than just hide behind them. It still makes little sense for Adrian to be the middle man with Navarro’s debacle with the Chinese. This is a guy who has access– he has ways of hacking into government systems that gets him all the data he needs. What’s he screwing around with moles and selling state secrets for? What’s Adrian’s motivation for getting involved with this one guy in one government agency who is selling secrets to the Chinese when Adrian has bigger fish to fry here? Maybe it’s a personal motivation. Maybe he owes someone a favor, maybe someone he cares about could be hurt if he doesn’t help Navarro or the Chinese, who knows, but it seems like something that a guy like him ultimately wouldn’t really be a part of. He could want the override device for nothing more than he feels responsible for its creation and doesn’t want it to fall into the hands of any government or group. We really have no evidence as of yet that he’s actually the one about to use the device for evil purposes and they might want us to believe he is because of everything else they’ve set up so far today.
Kiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 12:55 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:53 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 9:49 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 10:40 pmPhee
June 25, 2014 at 2:43 amWith option one, it just means that Adrian’s spent today trying to help them manouver into a position where they could get it back without being overt about it, and I could buy that story line.
With option two, he’s gotta have some larger plan because he wanted the device out there and in play, but now he wants it back. He and Yates may have had this plan to sell it to Margot and split the profits then steal it back. But then there’s the questions of 1) Why Margot and 2) Why not just keep it for themselves to begin with if they knew what a kickass device they’d created and what they could do with it themselves?
Maybe it’s just that he wanted the device tested in a real world situation and figured it wouldn’t be too hard to get it back once Margot was done? If he’s got some personal plans for using it, it makes the authorities take him more seriously if he can say, “You know someone who worked under me built this thing, you’ve seen it in action, so you know I’m not bluffing when I say I can eff some crap up now that I’ve got it back.” It puts him in quite a powerful position, with government leaders potentially willing to bend to his requests because he’s in possession of such a weapon that could bring them down. He’s a person who believes that governments should be put in their place, that’s why he made it his mission to expose their secrets. He doesn’t like them having the control they do. With the device and the information he’s gathered, HE is the one with the control over the governments. He could pose a MAJOR threat to ALL governments. He could hold any or all of them to ransom. He could force them into situations where he’s dictating international policy. He can make the world a better place by forcing a situation where all information is free and no governments keep secrets from anyone.
If something like that is going on, I’d say it’s a case of someone who started out with a less violent agenda, he was just a left wing kinda guy who always spoke up and tried to do what he thought was right to make the world a better, more informed place. But over the course of his life he’s become increasingly frustrated with the powers that be and now he’s had a gutful and has morphed into this egomaniac who thinks he’s gonna save the world from all the evil politicians by controlling them.
Back to the question of: Why give it to Margot? I’ve still got my little pet crack theory tucked in the back of my mind that Adrian is Margot’s first (not really) dead husband. It’s a pretty random assumption, I admit, (though they did make a point in this ep of putting emphasis on them avenging Ian’s STEP-father, reminding us that some other guy was the bio dad of Margot’s kids), though it could explain why Adrian would intentionally let it fall into HER hands. He’d know her well enough to know that she’d only use it in a limited capacity with the drones and that she (and the device) would remain in a nearby location. He may even expect that she’d be an easy person for him to take it back from when she was done. He could have just knocked on her door, been all, “You’re welcome for the device that let you avenge your second husband’s death, figured I should make it up to you somehow for having ditched you and kids. Seeing as how you’re done with it, can I have it back now plz?”
As to the question of why Adrian was bothering to get involved with selling stuff to the Chinese, it may just be that he needs to make deals for cash sometimes, purely out to necessity, to keep Open Cell up and running. They may not pay rent, but all that hardware don’t come for free. Also, if he DOES have some big plan that this has all been building up to, he knows that Open Cell isn’t gonna keep going forever, at some point he’s gonna make his move, and then people will be after him and he’ll need money in his pocket so he can go on the run.
About Open Cell and Chloe and their role in it all. I think Yates was the only truly nefarious geek in that lot. I think the rest of them just believe in the ideals that Adrian sold them, but they don’t have any idea that the organisation is really a means to his own evil end, and they’re just pawns to help him gather all the information he needs. Chloe’s about to get a reality check, and will be the one in a position to be able to stop him.
Kiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 7:21 pmPhee
June 26, 2014 at 1:15 amBrad
June 24, 2014 at 10:49 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 11:31 amBrad
June 24, 2014 at 11:37 amMary
June 24, 2014 at 3:18 pmWorking the late shift tonight at the store so will have to reply with details later but I went from ‘are you KIDDING me?’ in the first half of the episode to ‘oh WHEW Jack is still totally playing everybody’ in the second half of the episode. Everyone has a personal agenda and Jack’s involves getting the override device, IMO. This has been his bigger goal all day and helping the Hellers is like icing on the cake but wasn’t his primary plan.
Brad
June 24, 2014 at 3:53 pm24JUNKIE
June 24, 2014 at 11:02 amTiny
June 24, 2014 at 1:00 pmMarlon
June 24, 2014 at 11:39 amI hope she’s trying to take Adrian Cross down and find out who the real bad person is since he’s the middle man.
I’m afraid that Chloe will not live through the day.
RonnieTheC
June 24, 2014 at 11:59 am1. Are you done with 24 and refuse to watch the last 3 hours?
2. A year or two from now when it finally hits you that LAD was the last of 24, will you be glad?
I have a feeling that the answer to both questions is a resounding NO. We are all just viewers…none of us had or have anything to do with the script. So isn’t it better to sit back, watch the show and be thankful that, after 4 years Jack is back as opposed to having remember him on the streets of New York? It’s a heck of a lot better than watching a piece of crap like The Blacklist!
Brad
June 24, 2014 at 12:02 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 12:20 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 1:02 pmThere is a pervasive misunderstanding, IMO right now, between what is motivating the participants to post their comments and what the critics of the commenters are reading Into those motivations. We all love the show we are all psyched about LAD we see the amazing writing and acting and directing we do anticipate each episode and have fun watching we are devoted fans but we see plot holes we see things that don’t make sense we see lost opportunities we care about all of it. Don’t mistake the nit pucks and digressions for more than what they are.
Brad
June 24, 2014 at 1:04 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:55 pmLAD Fan
June 24, 2014 at 12:20 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 12:21 pmRebel2477
June 24, 2014 at 1:48 pmMary
June 24, 2014 at 2:59 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 3:42 pmMary
June 25, 2014 at 1:00 amI liked Kate’s hesitating handshake. She’s like uh you’re telling me I did a good job when I’m scraping the suspects’ bodies off the pavement… not sure how I feel about this one… and what a creepy little smile you just gave me…
New West Virginian
June 25, 2014 at 2:42 amTJ
June 26, 2014 at 2:38 amKiki Vanderway
June 26, 2014 at 2:17 pmNew West Virginian
June 25, 2014 at 2:43 amDoug Queen
June 24, 2014 at 5:28 pmAlright, I guess the exec producers thought killing Margot in cold blood would be an “Oh my God, AWESOME”! moment for the fans. Not this fan.
After thinking about it all day, it seems they were kind of pinned in a corner. I couldn’t really think of a better way to bring Margot to justice other than Jack killing her. I get that. Nevertheless, it did trouble me somewhat. Jack has always been a man of honor, and has been able to control his emotions fairly well. I just didn’t think it was fitting; I need to watch it a few more times.
I’ve posted this without looking at any of the other posts on this page, so I don’t know yet what the general reaction to that scene was. I’ll be interested to read others’ views on it, and feel free to comment on my post, whether you agree or not.
Was cool that Heller was still alive, although it was somewhat predictable. I was really wanting a longer conversation between Jack and Audrey. The producers are really stringing us along!! All the other storylines are tight. Unlike other seasons, I don’t dread when certain storylines start up. They are all good.
bleepboop24
June 24, 2014 at 5:39 pmBut I don’t think Jack tossing her was out of character at all. Don’t forget last season he went on a killing rampage and took out a bunch of russian diplomats in cold blood.
Doug Queen
June 24, 2014 at 5:50 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 8:06 pmAt the same time, how can anyone expect that a man who has given up so much, and who was so deeply honorable for so long only to have been abandoned, tortured for months, sold up the river and forgotten about only to be trotted out to be executed by a thug and then hung out to dry by Congress will not be altered and fundamentally changed for the worse by the experience?
And yet he doesn’t pretend or make excuses or prevaricate he owns his behavior he is willing to face punishment– he really didn’t want nor was he looking for a pardon and therefore he is recognizable to me even in those moments.
And actually when you think about it it’s a very bold and unusual choice by the writers to not even have any pretense of Jack’s actions being excusable.
I always found the Senate hearing exchange between Mayer and Jack so interesting because the Senator says isn’t true you detained Ibraham Hadad without due process? And Jack says yes and the lawyerly response would be no because he was not entitled to due process he was classified as an enemy combatant but Jack just says yes. It was again a bold choice– the writers aren’t going to make this easier for us as viewers — it’s messy and complicated and you will not get it wrapped in a convenient bow.
And not to beat a dead horse but it’s why this is a phenomenal series and why Jack Bauer has been one of only a very small handful of truly unique and memorable chactacters ever on TV.
Gerry Mander
June 24, 2014 at 10:04 pmRobert (Bobby) Goren from ‘Law & Order: Criminal Intent’ a very close second…
Mary
June 25, 2014 at 12:58 amOlivia
June 25, 2014 at 1:05 pmNew West Virginian
June 25, 2014 at 2:47 amThe most “unhinged” Jack was was in Season 8 when he was going after Dana and the Russians out of revenge for Renee.
TJ
June 26, 2014 at 2:41 am24 Spoilers
June 24, 2014 at 6:35 pmThis time around I don’t think Jack had as good of a reason for such an over the top kill. Maybe if Heller actually died I could see him being super angry and out for revenge, but that wasn’t the case here.
With that said, I absolutely loved the scene and think it will go down as one of Jack’s most memorable kills of the series. It was a satisfying exit for Michelle Fairley’s character and a shocking moment. I certainly didn’t see that coming.
24Phandroid
June 24, 2014 at 6:50 pmI knew she would die & Jack would be the one to take her out, but it didn’t feel like winning. Had there been more of a struggle and had she not been physically restrained when he threw her out the window, I might feel differently about it. Margot wasn’t a purely evil character. She had her redeeming qualities, so the “in your face, bitch!” gloating that seems to be going around doesn’t resonate with me. There was something unsettling about the way Jack killed her off and the swiftness with which we’re moving on to the next plot just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
I know I’m just sad that Michelle Fairley won’t be on my tv next Monday. She’s incredible and it’s crazy awesome what she’s done with roles where she wasn’t the original choice.
tl;dr this could have been a badass kill, but it felt like a rushed and undignified end for a great character
RonnieTheC
June 24, 2014 at 7:18 pmKiki Vanderway
June 24, 2014 at 8:12 pmPBar
June 24, 2014 at 7:50 pm50/50 on the Helle reveal, but loved the whip-pan that revealed it.
Doug Queen
June 24, 2014 at 8:14 pmNext to poor Paul Koplin’s torture/murder in season 2 (the private detective Kate Warner had at her house), it was the most shocking scene yet. But it matters little; 24 is still the best show ever, without question. I will continue to watch/listen to it regularly, and probably won’t stop for years to come.
Real Jack
June 24, 2014 at 9:17 pmAgentRez
June 24, 2014 at 9:40 pmIt’s a conversation between Audrey and Mark that fellow Jack/Audrey fans will be interested in. I hope that doesn’t say too much. If you want I can summarize it using a spoiler tag.
M
June 24, 2014 at 11:25 pmAgentRez
June 25, 2014 at 1:43 pmChloe
June 25, 2014 at 8:45 pmUnfortunately, I think Mark is going to do something very stupid in order to try and get rid of Jack, and Audrey will find out about it and try to fix it. I’m just very curious as to whether Cheng will be involved…
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 2:44 pmIt’s also worth noting, I think, that even if Mark had not forged the rendition order, the question of what to do with Jack now that he’s resurfaced would still be in play at this point. Heller’s given him a pardon but that also comes with a lot of political backlash and it wasn’t like the Russians weren’t ever going to find out that Heller was willing to just let Jack go home and pretend Day 8 never happened. I’m not even so sure that *Audrey* would be cool with that. She’s happy Jack saved her dad and saved the day but he admitted to her that he killed the diplomats, that what people said he did was actually what he did. Audrey doesn’t know yet know her dad pardoned Jack. Is she okay with being with a man who never has to assume any responsibility for having gone on a killing spree? Even without Mark putting the rendition order into the middle of this plot, Jack dealing with what happened on Day 8 with the Russians would still be something that would have to be addressed since he’s resurfaced.
Maybe Mark is starting to get fed up with Audrey and that, in combination with the fact that he’s actually been impressed with Jack so far today, leads him to just going to Jack with the problem and helping him solve it. If Audrey can’t make up her mind and Jack has too much honor to go sleeping around with a married woman, before long you’re going to have Mark and Jack in the same boat, which is kind of what this day keeps doing. They’re both traitors now wanted by the Russians with a woman in the middle and a father-son relationship with Heller. And if Jack has another agenda here (which is still pretty possible), then now *both* of them are a little duplicitous to boot. They quickly become the only ones who can help each other out of this situation. I think that’s actually more likely than Evil!Mark squirreling his way out of this.
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 4:34 pmAnd what happened when the guys began to catch on? Nina became increasingly more side-lined, eventually exposed, and then the shared history that reunited Jack and Tony’s friendship and made it stronger. It could be that while we’ve spent all this time looking at whether or not Jack and Audrey are going to get back together, we might have missed the start of a Jack and Mark friendship as the real focus of this plot.
This might be reason enough for Audrey to not be a mole but it also could be something in support of it, I guess. Kind of depends on how it would fit in with everything else in the story.
Mary
June 25, 2014 at 12:57 amAgentRez
June 25, 2014 at 1:37 pmKiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 3:05 pmOzgur
June 25, 2014 at 3:17 pmAgentRez
June 25, 2014 at 5:58 pmAgentRez
June 25, 2014 at 6:03 pmKiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 7:32 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 4:38 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 2:55 pmI try to give Audrey a fair shake and she’s been through a lot but the way she treats Mark here is just plain awful. Yeah, Jack showing up is confusing, but she’s not being honest about the fact that it is confusing for her. She’s acting like it’s all *Mark’s* fault that she’s still in love with Jack. If Audrey’s confused, she should at least respect the man she married enough to admit it and not toy around with him. The way she spins it all into Mark’s problem solely and like she’s the sole victim of all of this is emotionally manipulative.
New West Virginian
June 25, 2014 at 2:59 amI’m afraid even with Heller’s pardon, Mark is still going to get Jack sent to Russia, especially since the guy from the Russian embassy is also breathing down his neck over the forged order.
Johnny Medina
June 24, 2014 at 10:28 pmDamn it!
Mary
June 25, 2014 at 12:10 amTeam24
June 24, 2014 at 11:04 pm*****
Mark Boudreau tells the russian how to get Jack
And Kate Will torture Navarro
PD: Chloe confirms that is Cross who wants the attacks happen
***
New West Virginian
June 25, 2014 at 3:02 amAnd now since Heller had already pardoned Jack it could easily be said that he “rescinded” the order, so what Mark’s doing now is simply out of spite for Jack.
AgentRez
June 25, 2014 at 9:02 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 2:31 pmM
June 25, 2014 at 3:09 amChlojack
June 26, 2014 at 3:57 pmFringyrasa
June 25, 2014 at 2:56 amJack
June 25, 2014 at 8:36 amI don’t think Heller dying would have been predictable.
predictor32
June 25, 2014 at 9:50 am24 Spoilers
June 25, 2014 at 10:00 amThe overall season one might go up a few days later so that people have time to think about stuff or rewatch episodes. Unless everyone prefers it goes up alongside the finale.
Brad
June 25, 2014 at 10:04 am24 Spoilers
June 26, 2014 at 8:36 amOlivia
June 25, 2014 at 1:07 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 9:08 pmGlenn
June 25, 2014 at 2:16 pm5 3 7 4 1 8 2 6 . So far season 9 is between 4 and 7
Kiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 3:08 pmXAM
June 25, 2014 at 5:35 pmFor now at least.
Brad
June 26, 2014 at 1:50 amXAM
June 26, 2014 at 12:43 pmThe plot at the start of those days carries through to the end.
Day 1: Jack trying to save Palmer and his family
Day 3: The virus (even though it changes into completely different hands)
Day 5: Palmer’s assassination and the nerve gas
Day 8: The peace agreement
2, 4, 6 and 7 all started with very weak plots, nothing more compelling than “attacks are happening/about to happen” which is just nowhere near strong enough to carry a whole day, and because of that they fall into the trap of upgrading to bigger and bigger threats and going through WAY too many groups of baddies to be believable in a 24 hour day. Day 7 sadly had great potential to be much more than a dreary “multiple attacks day” if they had established from the get-go that Tony was back to get revenge for Michelle and his son from hour 1, the whole day wouldn’t have been a complete meandering shambling mess.
XAM
June 26, 2014 at 12:50 pmReally depends how this Adrian Cross/submarine thing plays out. But for now LAD is placed highly because these last 4 episodes have been some of the very best they’ve ever done.
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 4:25 pmTJ
June 26, 2014 at 2:45 amI really hated all of the overbearing side stories in S1 that just diluted the real good stuff with Jack and S6 was the equivalent of a 50% great, 50% awful season.
New West Virginian
June 26, 2014 at 11:18 amXAM
June 26, 2014 at 12:52 pm24 Spoilers
June 26, 2014 at 8:57 amSeason 2 is an interesting one for me, I think it’s perhaps the best written season of them all and it also has my favorite individual episode (George Mason’s farewell). But all of the Kim sideplot stuff was a real pain to suffer through and the Marie Warner wedding stuff isn’t that compelling on rewatch.
Liam
June 26, 2014 at 1:16 pm5, 1, 7, 2, 3, 4, 8, 6
Don’t know where I’d place LAD yet…hard to tell when we don’t know what the writers have in store for us with the last few episodes.
But I do think LAD has been very strong, probably in the season 2 or 3 range of quality, in my opinion.
Ozgur
June 26, 2014 at 1:39 pmS2 – 8/10
S3 – 7/10
S4 – 7/10
S5 – 9/10
S6 – 3/10
S7 – 8/10
S8 – 4/10
So 5 > 2 = 7 > 3 >= 4 > 1 >>> 8 > 6
Kiki Vanderway
June 26, 2014 at 2:21 pmChlojack
June 26, 2014 at 3:56 pmDavid
June 25, 2014 at 5:53 pmI also share concerns about Chloe. Please don’t let her be killed off, that just wouldn’t be fair, after so many of Jack’s friends have met their end. Besides, next to Jack, she’s always been the best character in the show.
The promo for the next episode is intriguing, as to what role Chloe will be playing. I wish she could get away from this Cross. I can’t help but feel Morris and Prescott are not really dead, and that there is going to be some emotional reunion before the end – wishful thinking maybe.
But as ever, this episode shows Jack always a step ahead of everyone. Is he going to make the connection of Navarro to Cross and warn Chloe?
The build up to the final episodes is really terrific. I think though what’s lacking compared to all the previous seasons is too much crammed into too short a time. That to me was half the fun of earlier seasons, the way the suspense took longer to build.
Can’t wait to see the next one!
Kiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 7:36 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 4:07 pmIt seems like Carlo Rota was in London while they were filming the finale but he is British, so who knows if it wasn’t just coincidental. I just really don’t want something like Morris and Prescott have been in hiding under assumed names after their deaths were faked because the Russians were after them and Chloe dies and then Morris shows up in the finale to collect her body or something because omg *sniffles* *grasps the tissue box*…
Gerry Mander
June 26, 2014 at 10:11 pmCome here and let Uncle Gerry give you a big… uh, hug ;-)…
Followed quickly by a slap and a restraining order from yourself no doubt, and rightly so!
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 10:57 pmDoug Queen
June 25, 2014 at 9:06 pmQuick thought. Audrey choosing Jack = Easier decision for Mark B. to turn Jack over. He’s gonna go bonkers. No more Mr Nice Guy lol.
Kiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 10:59 pmif you were Ina deserted island and could only bring one season of 24 which one would you bring?
For me it would be Season 4 because while it is not the best season it is the most
Kiki Vanderway
June 25, 2014 at 11:09 pmIt’s the most watchable — has everything from romance to great action. It’s also the one with the most humor Carlos Bernard is so awesome and the writers really had a great time writing Tony in this season.
Also has arguably a couple of the most quintessentially 24 hours of the series the one where Jack rescues Heller and Audrey and the one where Chloe is in the field…
Brad
June 26, 2014 at 1:52 amMary
June 26, 2014 at 3:58 pmKiki Vanderway
June 26, 2014 at 5:44 pmI can tell you why I placed three days ahead of it in my ranking though. 5 and 7 were stand out years where the overall production values were consistently high with plots that mostly made sense and Sean Callery’s work was so so good esp S5 . Season 2 I place above 4 because despite the hot mess of everything Kim related everything else clicked and the cast just brought in every episode….
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 6:54 pmXAM
June 26, 2014 at 7:32 pmLet me give you a clue
Terrorists plan to execute Heller… terrorists plan to melt down nuclear reactors… corporate conspirators use an emp… terrorists plan to shoot down Air Force One… terrorists plan to steal a football… terrorists plan to launch a missile. All in 24 hours? Give me a break! The far superior day 5 had just two plots running through it from beginning to end.
I remember Arnold Vosloo saying he took inspiration from the mugshot of the lead “9/11 hijacker” Mohammad Atta because he conveyed a look that showed “dedication to his cause”. Explains why he turned in such a shit performance because you don’t need to be a tinfoil hat nutjob to realise Atta never did it.
While overall it’s a trainwreck, day 4 has some brilliant character moments and killer lines, and I would agree day 4 has some great humour in it, particularly from Tony. And it easily had the best finale out of them all… unless of course LAD changes that.
Gerry Mander
June 26, 2014 at 8:41 pmSeason 4 remains my favorite season to date (although Season 5 is undoubtedly the best season overall), it may be utterly insane, but it’s insanely good and showstoppingly compelling from beginning to end… but that’s just my opinion.
I think you ARE a “tinfoil hat nutjob” if you don’t believe Atta didn’t do what everyone rightly knows he and eighteen others did, so-called 9/11 Truthers should be taken out back and beaten with a rubber hose, such is the vileness of their beliefs and the pain they cause the families of those killed on that awful day.
I’ll give you a chance (should you want it) to clarify your rather thoughtless and tactless remark, XAM, over to you…
Gerry Mander
June 26, 2014 at 8:51 pmXAM
June 26, 2014 at 9:05 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 9:20 pmGerry Mander
June 26, 2014 at 9:27 pmOh, and another reason Season 4 rules them all? Yup, you guessed it… MANDY!!!
Kiki Vanderway
June 26, 2014 at 9:44 pmYes it is true that Marwan really had planned an event filled day and maybe XAM has a valid point in noting it tested the limits of what the fan base was willing to accept but I am totally with Mary in that it is part of why the season is so fun.
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 9:48 pmGerry Mander
June 26, 2014 at 10:05 pmImagine the premise; she’s a former hired assassin who just wants a normal life, he’s a former government counter-terrorust agent turned murderer released from the clink, they marry and move into surburbia. Craziness ensues as they try to stop their former colleagues dropping by just as Mandy and Tony have guests round for dinner. And I haven’t even begun with the baby episode (“that’s not talcum powder, it’s weaponized bio-toxin, do you not know the difference Tony?”)
It almost writes itself…
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 10:59 pmPoor Tony is like christ, even in this sitcom joke, some woman is calling me an idiot. *drinks*
Gerry Mander
June 26, 2014 at 11:50 pmV
June 25, 2014 at 10:16 pmChloe
June 25, 2014 at 10:31 pmI guess we know now why Audrey will play a big role in the last few episodes…
M
June 26, 2014 at 1:50 amNew West Virginian
June 27, 2014 at 12:46 amAn interesting comparison will be Cheng vs Anatol (the name of the Russian embassy dude according to 24 wikia)
Brad
June 26, 2014 at 1:46 amTJ
June 26, 2014 at 2:46 am24fan
June 26, 2014 at 9:03 amMary
June 26, 2014 at 3:54 pmXAM
June 26, 2014 at 9:07 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 9:26 pmCatherine
June 26, 2014 at 9:20 amNew West Virginian
June 26, 2014 at 11:15 amVera V
June 26, 2014 at 1:06 pmDoug Queen
June 26, 2014 at 9:42 amIf
Doug Queen
June 26, 2014 at 9:44 amNew West Virginian
June 26, 2014 at 11:16 amMary
June 26, 2014 at 4:09 pmXAM
June 26, 2014 at 5:05 pmAdrian’s accomplice Steve Navarro on the other hand potentially could
or his other government hating accomplice…
Who by the way is still sporting the
https://twitter.com/meagantandy/status/482254664562274304/photo/1
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 5:34 pmIt’s a different belief system than Open Cell. It’s arguable that Chloe doesn’t really buy into Open Cell’s philosophy in the first place but what she’s done since being a part of them (releasing tens of thousands of classified government files) is a totally different kind of angry at the government than you’ve seen Tony (or even Jack, to a point) exhibit so far. Jack and Tony are more politically in line with one another, in that they both fundamentally believe in the U.S. government and just try to rid it of its corruption. Adrian Cross and Open Cell are anti-government. It’s a different animal. It’s actively working against any kind of government entity, which I don’t think Chloe fundamentally believes is right. It seems more like she’s just looking for a way to express her pain over what’s happened to her as a result of working for the government than anything else.
Kiki Vanderway
June 26, 2014 at 9:50 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 11:01 pmKiki Vanderway
June 28, 2014 at 9:17 amI can get it down to 40 and then I am forced to make some very hard choices and jettison the fun of choosing anchor and exit episodes around a particularly good arc for the sake of a stand alone one that is stronger. I will say this though, if forced to cull down to only 24, no episode from Season 1 or 8 makes my list.
You try tell me what happens.
XAM
June 28, 2014 at 10:29 am1x08
1x10
1x24
2x15
3x18
3x22
4x06
4x24
5x01
5x09
5x10
5x12
5x13
5x16
5x18
5x24
6x17
7x14
7x18
8x22
9x07
9x08
9x09
Like I said before, those last 3 eps of LAD are without doubt some of the best they’ve ever done.
XAM
June 28, 2014 at 10:31 amBrad
June 28, 2014 at 11:54 amKiki Vanderway
June 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm2-6
2-15
2-22
3-13
4-6
4-8
4-19
4-22
4-23
4-24
5-1
5-2
5-3
5-4
5-15
5-24
6-1
6-2
7-1
7-6
7-17
7-18
7-19
Gerry Mander
June 29, 2014 at 2:20 amI don’t rate individual episodes of ’24’ because they’re not isolated stories, I rate each season in totality, as a singular whole, and I don’t play the which-season-is-best game either, it’s about whether each respective season works in and of itself, and with the lamentable exception of Season 6 (which had 11 genuinely great episodes in all, but the rest were decidedly *meh*), all the ’24’ seasons worked darn well on their own terms… as has ‘Live Another day’ thus far thankfully!
Brad
June 29, 2014 at 3:23 amGerry Mander
June 29, 2014 at 4:10 amThe first eight episodes, ending with Jack’s rescue of Morris and defusing the suitcase nuke left by Fayed to cover his getaway.
The Charles Logan/Martha Logan/Russian consulate episodes, IIRC it was episodes 10, 11, and 12 but don’t quote me on that.
Episode 17 where Jack ultimately trails Fayed back to his layer and does what Jack does best (“damn, Jack”).
And the final episode; a fantastic oil rig sequence, a brilliantly haunting score from Sean Callery, and the single best ending and scene (both the exact same scene) of any ’24’ to date.
So what’s that, thirteen episodes in all? Okay, more than I thought or remembered…
Kiki Vanderway
June 29, 2014 at 9:31 amI know I omitted all S1 and S8 but You try it see what happens–
you have to make choices and until you force yourself to do it you can’t judge someone else’s list
it’s interesting whether you will keep a group in a row or selectively pick individual ones that stand out..
I could never separate S5 1-4 because its great all together same with the last three of S4 but I didn’t have enough picks left to allow S6 1-4 so I had to just pick the first two –I just couldn’t leave out “drop the coffee”
Gerry Mander
June 29, 2014 at 9:06 pmGerry Mander
June 29, 2014 at 9:12 pmThe music’s pretty great too…
Kiki Vanderway
June 29, 2014 at 10:27 pmFinally the truth has been told, now you tell me I’m crazy, its nothing I didn’t know….
(or if I can change the lyrics “now you tell me I’m defensive…..”)
Gerry Mander
June 29, 2014 at 10:45 pmdarman
June 26, 2014 at 9:08 pmMary
June 26, 2014 at 9:27 pmXAM
June 26, 2014 at 10:31 pmRemember Yates talking about Heller being killed by a drone during his “whole world going to hell” speech?
Now how on earth would he know this would happen as someone simply selling the device? It’s not like Margot would openly tell Yates of her plan to kill Heller. It would be like buying a gun or a hammer and telling the person selling it to you that you plan to kill the mother in law.
It’s like a mirror image of Nina’s employers wanting Palmer dead, but letting the Drazens do all the work. Margot wanted Heller dead, but so does Cross and the people he works for… not Open Cell,
With all this in mind, I think Heller is STILL not safe.
Good GOD I hope Max/Trepkos or Wilson is behind all this.
I’m getting nearly as good as Mary at this crazy theory thing.
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 11:04 pmThumbs up, man. Crazy Theory Stamp of Approval. :)
Bleepbloop24
June 26, 2014 at 10:03 pmThis implies she at least has some part in Adrian’s plans.
I’m not saying I like this direction at all, but its food for thought
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 10:36 pmSo, the writers were saying that they’re doing something different with Steve Navarro, a bad guy we haven’t really seen before, and either they’re just trying to make it sound interesting or we don’t know the full story yet. Right now, Navarro seems like a cut and dry kind of mole. He sells secrets to the Chinese for money. That’s it. Except that kind of can’t be it because not only is it kind of boring, it doesn’t really seem to fit into anything. Navarro isn’t in the middle of the override storyline, despite being the one to have it. He didn’t want it, the Chinese never told him to get it, and Navarro’s story is really the Adam Morgan story. Whatever is going on with Navarro has to be the big backstory piece that they’re going to give Kate Morgan, the potential new protagonist of the show. Her husband dying so Navarro could line his pockets is… not terribly exciting. It almost seems inevitable that Kate Morgan’s backstory has to cross into Jack’s story and maybe it looks something like this…
Steve Navarro is a spy for the Chinese… on behalf of the Russian Federation. The Chinese think he’s a dirty American agent and pay him for intelligence he passes on through Cross, unaware that the intelligence is filtered by the Russians, who have Navarro send stuff to the Chinese that is in the best interest of the Russians. So, Navarro’s in the middle of a kind of misinformation campaign between China and the Russian Federation. He appears to be a spy for the Chinese but he’s really a Russian spy and Cross may or may not know the full story. But the interesting point would be *why* Navarro is doing this.
Navarro’s reaction to seeing Jack on the drone camera in the premiere was “ugh, it’s him, oh god FML” instead of “oh awesome, we’re going to get this guy and I’ll get a huge promotion!” He decides to disobey orders from the White House to first try to figure out why Jack was in London and freaks out when Kate comes into the room and suggests that Jack wanted to get caught because he was coming for someone in the building. Navarro absolutely loses it with Kate at that moment because he thought Jack was coming *for him*. He didn’t know Chloe was in Special Activities, he thought Jack wanted to get caught because he found out whatever it is that Navarro was doing and was coming after him. *Why?* These guys apparently never met until the premiere, as Steve introduces himself when he comes into the room. Why would Navarro get extremely nervous at the sight of Jack and the idea that Jack might be coming after him?
What about the other clue in the premiere– the Kim comment? We see Jack’s personnel file several times on camera during the premiere and nowhere in there does it mention that Kim had another baby. Better yet, this then doesn’t add up with what Chloe tells Jack an hour later about her husband and son being murdered as a result of what she knew. Why are Morris and Prescott dead but Kim is alive? How does Navarro know personal details about Jack’s family?
How about on a day when we have a recurring theme of in-laws already, we get one more: Steve Navarro is Kim’s father-in-law. His son is Kim’s husband. He knows about Little Teri’s new little brother because Jack’s grandkids are his grandkids, too. Following Day 8, he struck a deal with the Russians to do whatever the hell they asked of him in order to keep his family safe. And he’s done terrible, terrible things to keep them safe, including framing and killing Adam Morgan. This would also explain how Navarro’s less an evil mastermind and more just a really terrible mole. He doesn’t seem completely heartless. He teared up when he thought Heller was dead, he hesitated about Jordan because he was just a kid, and he seems more guilty over Kate than lacking in remorse. He’s still, uh, a pretty awful human being but he doesn’t come off as a calculating sociopath so much as someone kind of flying by the seat of his pants in a situation in which he’s been over his head from the start. It would also mean then that Kate Morgan’s husband died, ultimately, for Jack’s family, which connects their stories together in kind of an interesting way.
Kiki Vanderway
June 26, 2014 at 11:24 pmI never took Chloe’s story at face value I– like Jack –am not sure they were killed in a conspiracy theory slaying because it doesn’t make sense but bear in mind Chloe thinks they were gunning for her and Morris was in the wrong place at the wrong time so no one was ever after him or the kid and no one is after Kim on that basis either. Personnel files are routinely updated as are profiles of the most wanted I think it’s plausible they would update for new kids and grandkids.
Mary
June 26, 2014 at 11:47 pmI would think it plausible that they’d update the files except that they didn’t on the show. We saw the file a couple of times on-screen and it wasn’t updated. Kim’s husband is also named Steve (Stephen/Steve, he’s been called both) and doesn’t yet have a last name, so it’s kind of possible that he might be his kid. Or at least the guy who raised him. It’s out there, yeah, but it does tie some stuff together, and if this is the end of Jack’s story, I think it might come down to his family as a focus. Even if it’s not, family has been a focus of all the other plots so far today, so maybe it’s plausible. *shrug*
Brad
June 26, 2014 at 11:52 pmAgentRez
June 27, 2014 at 2:04 pmI don’t think the fact that Kim wasn’t targeted means much, since Kim didn’t know what Chloe knew.
M
June 26, 2014 at 11:18 pmPhee
June 29, 2014 at 12:35 amAs to your other point of the Open Cellers switching to help the CIA in exchange for immunity, I’d quite like that. A gang of superhackers rising up to take down their evil former leader, him causing havoc on one end and them on the other trying to block his every move until the device can be destroyed. I’d rather Cross end up dead, but if he just gets arrested, Open Cellers could also be offered immunity if they surrender all their information and agree to testify against him. Not that I have any particular care for the majority of Open Cellers, but some sort of group immunity deal would include Chloe, and I need for her to not end up in jail (or dead), plz and thank you.
John
June 27, 2014 at 1:16 pmAgentRez
June 27, 2014 at 2:00 pmJohn
June 28, 2014 at 1:38 pmTE
June 27, 2014 at 2:24 pmXAM
June 27, 2014 at 8:32 pmJack
June 27, 2014 at 10:57 pmXAM
June 28, 2014 at 12:27 amTry it now…
Chlojack
June 27, 2014 at 4:33 pmhttp://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/06/27/family-guy-finale-24-live-another-day-top-foxs-thirty-day-multi-platform-ratings/277617/
Phee
June 29, 2014 at 12:12 amMeredith
June 29, 2014 at 11:57 amGlenn
June 29, 2014 at 2:42 pmJackBauerFan1977
June 30, 2014 at 4:00 amCroweyes1121
June 30, 2014 at 9:17 amSimone
June 30, 2014 at 9:27 amAnd finally for the first time (ever) we can have a “good” ending for both….
AgentRez
June 30, 2014 at 4:39 pmJohn
June 30, 2014 at 3:15 pmJohn
June 30, 2014 at 4:01 pmJonathan G
June 30, 2014 at 4:38 pm5 >>>>> 2 > 3 = 1 > 7 >> 4 >>>> 8 > 6
So far, I’d put LAD in the 3-1-7 range. The past three episodes have been awesome.