Kiefer Sutherland recently appeared on Chris Jericho’s “Talk Is Jericho” podcast to discuss his career longevity, new series Designated Survivor, his debut solo album, and more. We’ve transcribed the parts where he talks about 24.
On career struggles:
“From 20 years old to 30 years old everything was going swimmingly. At 30 it just dried up and stopped for a while, 4-5 years. Then I got very lucky with 24. And you need that moment where it dries up and stops, because that’s what allows you to look back and go “Oh my gosh, how lucky was I?”
And I will never take that for granted again. When I did 24, I didn’t – it was one of the great times of my life. I hope the same with this experience of Designated Survivor and with my album.”
Why 24 took off:
“I think it was a variety of things. And one of them, if I could take back, If I had the power to take that back, I would. We had shot about four months of 24 before the terrible events of 9/11. And I remember there was a moment, especially because the opening episode of 24 had to deal with a hijacked jet and all this other stuff. And it was just completely a fluke, no one in their wildest dreams thought any of this stuff could ever happen. And tragically it did.
I think FOX as a network questioned whether or not they should even put it out. They tested it with people and their reaction to it was really positive. I think the reason why their reaction was really positive. I certainly remember feeling incredibly helpless, incredibly angry after 9/11, and heartbroken too. I remember feeling really helpless, there was nothing you could do about it. It wasn’t like someone had picked on your sister at school and you went and found the guy and did something about it, I felt really helpless.
And then all of a sudden this show had this character Jack Bauer that was fighting these insurmountable odds and doing all that kind of stuff. I think certainly in the beginning year or two, people really appreciated that there were people out there doing this. The reality is there are people who are really doing that.”
Why the 24 movie never happened:
“It was talked about, talked about, talked about a lot. I never understood why it wasn’t made, especially in the earlier days. But there’s so many reasons why something doesn’t work and very few reasons why something does. It’s complicated. Companies have movie divisions and television divisions, they might not all get along.”
Having fun playing Jack Bauer:
“I have to say, I have been incredibly fortunate as I look back. Jack Bauer as a character just because of the amount of time that I got to spend with that character. I admired his moral compass, I thought he was a very righteous character and I wish I was half that.
But he was also so much fun to play. I remember, this is so embarrassing… I’m 5’10” on a good day, if I’m standing really straight. And they’d send in some guy who was 6’4″ and 240 pounds. And I’d look at him and go “Well, it says I’m gonna kick your ass, so I guess I’m gonna kick your ass!” (laughs) In real life, it would take two seconds and he’d hit me with his finger and I’d be down. But because Jack Bauer had these great moves or whatever, the way it was written, it would work out. So all that kind of stuff was a lot of fun.”
On why Kiefer stopped doing 24:
“When people ask me why didn’t you keep doing the show… I would’ve loved to have done the show until the day I died. I loved that character, I loved the people I was working with, and the audience that enjoyed the show has been incredibly gracious to me.
But let’s be honest, how many bad days can one guy have? We did nine seasons. At one point, probably around season 6, I said “Okay, this is getting a little long in the tooth.” So I kinda decided to not do the show almost out of respect to the character and what the show meant to me. And I had always said the idea of the show was the real star.”
On possibly returning to 24 at some point:
“I’ve learned to never say never with that one, because when I finished Season 8 I said I was never going to do it again. And they came up with what I thought was a really cool idea in England.
And the truth is, I did it because I missed the people that I was working with – Jon Cassar the director and Howard Gordon. And I happened to still have a really good relationship at 20th Century Fox. That was a decade of my life. I remember looking at a picture of my daughter from Season 1, she looked like such a cute little girl with her pigtails and I think was still carrying around a doll. By the end of it she was graduating at NYU, so that put a perspective on how much time that was.”
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Comments ClosedCJ
May 10, 2017 at 12:21 pmSutherland was born to play Bauer in 24! I watch Designated Survivor and the best moments are when he channels his inner Jack. When he’s all playing it nice and twee, it’s horrible.
I think we deserve a better ending for Jack than Live Another Day.
X
May 14, 2017 at 6:41 amJack tied up the loose ends with Audrey, Heller, and Cheng.
Jack relived the past he was running from, faced it totally, and accepted it.
Unintelligent people are just pissed it wasn’t a dopey sappy happy ending.
Where do you want it to go now?
What else is there to do that hasn’t already been done twice?
JD
May 15, 2017 at 11:26 amIn a show where nearly every major character has had a tragic ending, why is it “so wrong” to give one a happy ending? This show isn’t real life–it’s fiction. Having said that, happy endings DO occur in real life as well.
This constant pessimism people have toward happy endings mystifies and even worries me a bit. Are people that bitter in life that they can’t accept a bit of happiness for a character’s conclusion?
X
May 15, 2017 at 6:05 pmEveryone gets upset about that nowadays for some reason and that mystifies me.
In a show where nearly every major character realistically dies, why is it “so wrong” to give the lead character a realistic exit? This show isn’t real life – its fiction, so why do most people act like there must be a happy ending in order to be considered good? Having said that, no one in real life gets out of it alive.
This constant pessimism people have towards realism and mystery… mystifies me and worries me a lot. Are people that bitter in life that they can’t handle truth in storytelling? Are people so angry about reality that they have to always have a made-up happy ending?
Having a happy sappy super duper happy ending for Jack (and we know that would involve him going home to Kim alive) would betray what the character and story is about.
And its pessimistic to not view Live Another Day as a happy ending.
Live Another Day ended well for Jack.
But bad/angry people won’t accept that ending and want a false/cliched ending where everything’s alright and nothing bad ever happens to anyone anymore because magic fairy dust made the world all better.
X
May 15, 2017 at 6:09 pmJack comes home, smiles, and we see Kim happy and hug him, but we know that he is basically a covert assassin that has betrayed America and everything he used to fight for.
Sacrifice is essential to 24.
Patty
May 15, 2017 at 7:34 pmJosh
November 15, 2018 at 10:33 amDavid
May 17, 2020 at 11:58 pmD
April 6, 2020 at 4:42 pmBig Boss
May 10, 2017 at 12:31 pmAny insight?
Big Boss
May 10, 2017 at 1:22 pmhttps://twitter.com/JU2419922/with_replies
Shaun Clark
May 10, 2017 at 2:00 pmGerry Mander
May 10, 2017 at 3:00 pmTom
May 12, 2017 at 2:50 pmI wish he was that vocal about getting the writers kicked off the show.
Brian
May 10, 2017 at 1:13 pmSadly, I have observed a few things over since Kiefer has left 24. The show “Touch” which was the complete opposite of 24 which was a strange story about a kid with a mother who died in a terrorist attack who thinks in numbers and doesn’t talk. It is almost like Kiefer said, I want to have a show and call it “Opposite Day” of 24 and the writers took it to the extreme with this goofy #’s thing. Seriously.
Honestly, I think Kiefer is suffering from an identity crisis. He is touring as the lead singer of a country/rock band for $20 a ticket in extremely small venues. (You can’t even pay for the motorcoach gas / security salary for band with that) I came 2 hours early to one of his concerts in PDX and he was rushed in/out the concert with his security details pleading that “Kiefer is in a zone when it is time to perform, no autographs or pictures… please, please, please… he just needs to focus right now”. I saw him in an interview the other day and it looks like the guy has lost 30 pounds. The years of boozing and smoking have taken their toll, the crows feet.
Hopefully he is just in a place where money is not important, he wants to enjoy playing in a small band, perhaps wants to meet a love interest. Who knows. Something isn’t quite right.
Milo
May 10, 2017 at 2:28 pmBrian
May 10, 2017 at 6:01 pmThe pro autograph seekers were nice. They told me that Kiefer did sign autographs and took photos with the crowd that was there 3.5 hours before show start. His whole security detail smokes and steps outside the motorcoach, however, no Kiefer. Must either sneaks smokes in the coach, vapes, or has a big time nic fit as I know he smokes like a chimney. (allegedly)
Brian
May 10, 2017 at 7:45 pmMilo
May 10, 2017 at 1:29 pmShady
May 10, 2017 at 1:32 pmWho fucking cares, it’s a TV Show… Keifer… it’s entertainment. Theres Zombies on The Walking Dead and White Walkers and Dragons on Game of Thrones and that’s not realistic..
“”” And I had always said the idea of the show was the real star.””
as Trump would say…. WRONG
eman
May 10, 2017 at 2:53 pmFrank
May 10, 2017 at 3:49 pmBrad
May 10, 2017 at 7:28 pmDave26
May 10, 2017 at 7:48 pmBrad
May 10, 2017 at 7:59 pmDave26
May 10, 2017 at 10:27 pmMarple
May 10, 2017 at 8:38 pmBrad
May 10, 2017 at 8:44 pmDespite popular assertion, LAD ended his story as conclusively as was possible. Unfortunately, most viewers lack the intellectual ability to accept any ending that doesn’t involve him being killed or living happily ever after (both of which would fail miserably and betray the essence of the show).
Marple
May 11, 2017 at 6:16 amBrad
May 11, 2017 at 6:44 amMarple
May 11, 2017 at 9:01 amBrad
May 11, 2017 at 6:46 pmBrad
May 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm“It wasn’t conclusive like we promised. And that’s not my fault. I promise you it’s not”.
It’s been well publicized that the final episode of LAD, written by Manny and Evan, was in a constant process of we-writing up until the final days of shooting.
Marple
May 11, 2017 at 8:20 pmMarple
May 11, 2017 at 8:23 pmDave26
May 11, 2017 at 10:49 pmBrad
May 11, 2017 at 10:56 pmMarple
May 11, 2017 at 6:28 amPenelope Sandwiches
May 10, 2017 at 9:06 pmX
May 14, 2017 at 7:16 amCali
September 16, 2018 at 9:37 pmWe get reality every day in real life. Entertainment is escapism for many people and many people want their entertainment to make them happy. I wanted 24 to end with Jack going back to his family.
Coral Snake
May 11, 2017 at 1:11 amBut to be honest, Jack dying OR Jack having a happy ending aren’t exactly the right ways to end his story either in my opinion.
I am not sure what the “right” ending for Jack would be at this point in the shows almost 17 year, 10 season existence.
But I would have loved to have the series go full circle and have Jack become the Director of CTU LA again at the very end.
A more realistic ending for me would have him finally accept that no matter how hard he tries to get away from it, CTU is where is belongs.
24 Spoilers
May 11, 2017 at 3:21 amFirst there was shock with Jack dying, then relief upon learning his death was faked. Sadness seeing his girlfriend break down in tears and more sadness knowing he’d never be able to contact his daughter again. Some closure with Tony’s handshake and Palmer’s phone call followed by really iconic imagery of Jack walking off into the sunrise. The viewer could make up their own storyline(s) from there.
I thought that was the perfect way to “kill” Jack Bauer. He was dead to all but four people and you the viewer. Not too happy, not too sad, just the right mix. Too bad they didn’t hold onto that idea for the true series finale.
As for LAD’s ending, I still have mixed feelings about it. I’ve come to accept the idea of Jack being stuck in a Russian prison, I just wish it felt more definitive. The way that scene was structured with both Chloe and Belcheck being there and witnessing everything going down practically screams out for a “rescue Jack” story. It should’ve been reworked a bit to feel more like a series finale.
Brad
May 11, 2017 at 4:01 amI’ve grown to like LAD’s ending for its (intentional or unintentional) thematic closure, but there’s absolutely no emotional catharsis whatsoever. I think that’s what people struggle with. I know I did for a long time after it aired.
Brian
May 11, 2017 at 5:35 amI think it is interesting that LAD’s ending was similar to S5, while “Legacy” was a rehash of most of S6. Perhaps the writers really thought that S6 was really a good study, but just needed to be told without Curtis dying, the wacky Bauer family, etc… Legacy II will likely be a rehash of S7 with Tony being good/bad or who the phuck knows.
Gerry Mander
May 11, 2017 at 9:56 amI’m not sure how to end Jack’s story in a definitive way, to be honest… maybe it shouldn’t.
He’s no longer in that dark place any more that he was in after Renee’s murder, he’s accepted the futility of and taken responsibility for his bloody rampage four years previously, Audrey is dead but Kim is safe, Chloe is undoubtedly messed up but can go back home (although to what?), and the Russians will imprison but not torture him… and it’s ironically in this incarceration that he can finally achieve a modicum of peace; no longer to be dragged back into ‘the game’, no more knocks at the door or subpoenas or phone calls pleading for him to “do the right thing” one more time, leading to yet another bad day, and yet more death, destruction, loss, and pain.
The ending of Live Another Day may just be the ‘happy ending’ Jack deserves…
Marlon
May 11, 2017 at 6:19 pmWith Legacy a total farce, I hope they improve the writing ten-fold to make it a spin-off worthy of 24 without Jack Bauer.
I see Gotham just got renewed so surely Legacy is renewed too.
Brian
May 11, 2017 at 3:02 amChristine Brahney Aria MD
May 11, 2017 at 3:23 pmOne thing I always liked about 24 was it’s understanding of current events. Bad Russians are center now. That is what the most recent 24 should have been about.
Brian
May 12, 2017 at 4:28 pmViewing LAD twice, LAD achieved two major things from a screenwriter’s standpoint:
1) In LAD E7 Jack was pardoned by President Heller which gave the writers the gift of to the writers to write new episodes with Jack as an agent or private citizen (unwilling agent) possible. Personally, I believe that this is the only reason why they had the Heller/Wembley Stadium sub-plot, to bring Jack’s ability to be in future shows to a head and address it. In my opinion, having the Wembley Stadium scenes serve no other purpose and is a play on James Heller’s near death experiences in S4 & S5.
2) In LAD E12, Jack was hauled off to prison which essentially wrote Jack out of the show and gave licence to the writers to have a “new hero” or resuscitate the character Jack as they did in the beginning of S6 if sometime down the road the writers/Kiefer chose to do so. Since imprisonment was Jack’s choice, it is highly unlikely that we will see a “break out” story unless Jack’s family was in danger.
The 2 above points, makes LAD an elaborate 12 hour long arc which allowed the show to go on without Jack, but if Jack was to return to the show, he could do so at full capacity.
TJ
May 13, 2017 at 1:11 amPatty
May 11, 2017 at 8:46 pmChris Walker
May 12, 2017 at 2:18 pmTJ
May 13, 2017 at 1:09 amI just wish they gave a little more screen time and things to do for the ultra gorgeous Natascha McElhone!
Joshua
May 14, 2017 at 11:30 pmPatty
May 15, 2017 at 3:40 amDid Fox give a shit about Kiefer when THEY cancelled the original 24 series after season 8?
Did Fox give a shit about Kiefer when THEY refused to do a 24 movie that Kiefer really wanted to do for his fans?
And now you are mad at Kiefer because he will not come back one more time in order to get a fictional character out of a fictional prison!!!
Joshua
May 15, 2017 at 7:22 amMcLovin
September 1, 2017 at 2:01 pmChase
April 9, 2018 at 2:32 amM. STAR SCHATTEN
January 13, 2019 at 12:39 pmBonne Jarous
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